DeRay Mckesson: ‘We Can Live In A World Beyond The Police’ | MTP Daily | MSNBC

Campaign Zero co-founder DeRay McKesson discusses what should be next for police reform. Aired on 04/21/2021.
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  1. We know how bad the state of policing is in the US because a significant plurality of Americans are perfectly OK with flying a black, white, and blue desecration of the American flag, glorifying a police state, next to or above the Red, White, and Blue. Rural cops are putting that desecration of the American flag ON their patrol cars with the Punisher skull; which also glorifies the summary murder of criminals in the name of vengeance/eye for an eye retribution.

  2. I’m not sure what comes next for police reform, because in this case there was overwhelming video evidence, it’s like we were all there watching as it was happening.

  3. To live in a world where we don’t need a police force we need to live in a word without any evil. Is it really possible to live in a world without evil?

    1. No. It is really disingenuous to make a ridiculous claim that getting rid of cops gets rid of crime. Shows you how Pollyanna fantasy these policies are.

    2. @Sam Winston Well there are utopian novels that describes how this is achievable in theory. Star Trek comes to mind. However, in reality I agree humans are incapable of creating a world where no police is needed by themselves.

    3. I hear you and that was my impulse thought too, then I thought further and realized that it’s only hard to imagine something when you’ve never seen it in practice and have been conditioned to believe the reality you know is the only reality that can exist. I recall visiting many countries where I never or very rarely saw police officers. That doesn’t mean they didn’t exist but it does suggest that there was a very different presence and culture around policing. I’ve walked the streets at night feeling very safe in these countries. This discussion around policing really starts with us envisioning a different culture.

  4. If you still think there are “good apples,” let me remind you that the official statement the MN police put out on Floyd said he died of “medical complications.” The other cops who were there never objected to the murder and the department was going to cover it all up. It is only because a teen video’ed it that the truth ever came out. Otherwise, the blue code of silence would have put Chauvin back on the streets, and he would know that the “good apples” covered it up for him.

    1. @Carla Defoe True. But if that video didn’t exist, how confident would you feel that Chauvin would have been convicted of murder? Even with all the evidence, and all the national protests…a lot of people felt a conviction wasn’t guaranteed. That’s the current state of America. Sadly.

    2. I am astonished anyone actually even considers the police honest enough NOT to do it. They cover and lie even when they don’t need to. They all lie even in simple traffic tickets and esp when they benefit. I have solid proof of both.

    3. @Just wait A minute The fact that you just pitched POLICE VS MINORITIES means you know and understand the problem, but just don’t care.

  5. Qualified Immunity needs to be removed. Transparency is needed. If police are responsible for their own actions, they also should run their bodycams to avoid charges being levied against them. People can be just as guilty in maybe increasing the tension and raising the seriousness of the situation, but recording it is a must on both sides.

    1. @Just wait A minute I’ve never been arrested or even had a speeding ticket in my life. You’re assuming something without any knowledge, just like the police do!

  6. “I want a world without Police” – Cal, Bryce, “Nathaniel,” “Andy,” to Pam who ~makes that happen~

  7. Police will need to need to worry only about protecting themselves ,,,, just look the other way,,

    1. I don’t think your comment was well intended; however, in many states, that is going to be a likely outcome. When you arm, every adult, and allow them to open carry, LEOs won’t know, who’s friendly or foe.

  8. excellent talk. nonetheless the number of shootings coupled with the lack of accountability shows the strength of unions. which unfortunately happen to always be the number one unions embraced by the business community. in other words talking about one without the other isn’t going to get this problem under control. unless that is more conversations like these detailing the numbers mentioned occur (hint hint) because then the whats and the whys of how they’re systemic won’t be able to be denied…

  9. Sergeant Robert Justin alford green at nellis AFB where is my daughter Jahmela and her 4 children and what have you done to them.

  10. “Criminal Police” have come to the ranks of police departments that empower criminal behaviour within its ranks.

  11. Keep 911 for the community.
    Create 119 for social/shrink
    services. People like safety!
    Then official/civic should teach dont resist arrest.

  12. I don’t know if a world with police is the answer but it doesn’t have to mean that we expel all social services. It may just mean reappropriating funds and resources to the professionals who are most qualified to address these needs. It might mean creating new divisions and services. We have firefighters fire emergencies. We have EMTs for medical emergencies. Police shouldn’t be a catch all for everything else. That extends them well beyond their training and expertise, and invites opportunity for interactions to go awry.

    It’s only hard to imagine something when you’ve never seen it in practice and have been conditioned to believe the reality you know is the only reality that can exist.

    I recall visiting many countries where I never or very rarely saw police officers. That doesn’t mean they didn’t exist but it does suggest that there was a very different presence and culture around policing and community surveillance/upkeep. I’ve walked the streets at night feeling very safe in these countries. This discussion around policing really starts with us envisioning the possibilities of how our culture can evolve.

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