107 Comments on "Doctors warn coronavirus spreads more easily than first thought"

  1. Even third world countries like Mexico have to ban Americans! 😳

  2. Todd's Tropicals | July 6, 2020 at 11:16 AM | Reply

    It’s almost like the government wants people to contract it and die.

    • @OutdoorIndoorVariety not voting for trump or for anyone representing the two party duopoly. You are correct about the rest

    • Mary Jan3 Cordova | July 6, 2020 at 2:05 PM | Reply

      It looks like it not the government. . It’s Your President with this hate Rallies. ..

    • Jonathan Hughes | July 6, 2020 at 2:08 PM | Reply

      @Mary Jan3 Cordova can you provide one example of something that he said was hateful?

    • @OutdoorIndoorVariety The term “the Media” no longer has the adrenaline spike it once had. Many, many people are becoming more savvy and very aware of alternate sources of credible information Including (unfortunately) those that make up nefarious stories about ‘ What “THEY” aren’t telling you’. If you are old enough to remember the AIDS epidemic, you will remember how AIDS related deaths were announced. Usually something akin to “…complications brought on by AIDS”. Its your body’s defense system (if your particular health profile is compromised) that destroys you which the COVID virus sets the stage for.

      The more testing theory has been debunked at least three weeks ago. No matter how much testing the U.S. does, it will still be UNDER counting at this particular stage. We simply cannot compare to other countries because of many different factors, culture(s) and the disticnt machinations of our govt. apparatus (State, local, county) to name just two. Vote how you wish, by all means. But keep this in mind: 
      We Americans simply cannot get on the same page about all of us getting better, for each other’s sake. For each other’s sake.

    • Gerardo Argueta | July 6, 2020 at 4:02 PM | Reply

      New world order . Take HCQ

  3. I thought this would magically disappear? Why do we need a vaccine?

    • You don’t need a vaccine. Restore/maintain your immune system with vitamine C, D and Zinc rich food, and unless you are a rare person, your immune system can handle it easily.

    • William Lubak | July 6, 2020 at 2:06 PM | Reply

      I thought « magically disappear » meant that Trump would go away. Oh what a shame, I guess I was wrong.

    • Fear and Deceit: COV💉D-19 pastebin.com/NCHs8JgD or facebook.com/groups/CVFear/ – A collection of content banned from social media to encourage understanding and raise questions of both the severity of the virus and the extreme measures taken against it. Also shining light on the shameful behavior and propaganda of mainstream media. “The overwhelming majority of people recover from this virus” -Dr. Fauci💲

    • @Nani Nona assumptions are for dumbasses. Not a conservative

    • u mean billy gates vaccines? or someone elses, cause im good.

  4. Vivian Stimpson | July 6, 2020 at 11:16 AM | Reply

    Don’t breathe, you’ll be fine.

    • Omar Jad Al Farid | July 6, 2020 at 1:48 PM | Reply

      Good comment!

    • Tri Sat Nava | July 6, 2020 at 1:57 PM | Reply

      COVID-19 | Coronavirus: Epidemiology, Pathophysiology, Diagnostics (Ninja Nerd Science)
      Questions on the segment regarding Covid-19 Diagnostics starting at 35:49 – 48:50

      (Rhetorical) – What are the potential barriers and/or constraints that can limit the amount of testing that could be done per individual? Time and money!

      37:05 – Rule out Influenza A and B. (Nasal/oral swab): 38:08 – “Let’s say that that comes back negative. It’s not the flu. Doesn’t mean that it’s not the flu. But again the suspicion is high for the coronavirus because they have a super high fever.”

      33:44 – RT-PCR tests. Takes approximately 5 hours or more (per patient!) “sensitivity from 30% – 80% and they take a lot of time!”

      34:05 “…you run this test right away, sure. But you might not get the results back in time when you need them and on top of that their sensitivity isn’t really that great (doxa?). Sputum, aspirate, blood or swab to test.

      39:40 – NAAT test – “It is expensive.” – “Up to $300”

      40:30 – Bloodwork. “Order a CBC and CMP. We can also, if we want to, check specific markers that have been associated with a high mortality rates with this disease.”

      40:40 – Check CBC. “CBC is going to tell us our white blood cell count, red cell count and our platelets right? And then we can get a diff(?). What we’re going to see here with this and this is what is super interesting, you see what is called “Lymphopenia”. %80 or more of the time you see Lymphopenia. That is really odd. Because what would you expect if someone is having an infection you would expect a high white count. But again you’re going to see more commonly Lymphopenia.”

      41:18 – Signs of organ failure(s) and checking for proper profusion to kidneys
      ***(Very important!!! See why below.) 42:26 – Check for a molecule called “procalcitonin” particular to bacterial infections. Levels will be normal if primarily covid-19. Covid 19 + bacterial infection = elevated procalcitonin. “This is a test that you can do.” –

      43:27 – The last thing you can do is check for these general markers of inflammation. What are some of these markers of inflammation? Again they’re not specific but will help us in determining the patients mortality rate: Elevated CRP, ESR and IL-6 (Released from macrophages and liver as an acute phase reactive protein). Higher concentrations of LDH. Elevated D-Dimer and ferritin.

      44:50 – High mortality associated with elevated tropanine and CK-MB indicative of there not being enough profusion to the heart. (Speculative: Not a patient you would want to hook up to a ventilator! Elevated levels of the aforementioned may call for therapeutics that aim to reduce said levels so as to slow down the inflammation that is building up. More air pumped into the body without any means of mitigating the increase of said levels may perpetuate the elevation of same.) Consolidation of alveoli with signs of increased heart and respiration rate which may be indicative of hypoxemia. (14:27)*

      45:37 – Imaging techniques that can be utilized. (In cases where RT-PCR test negative or not enough for Doctor to feel confident enough in exercising their discretion) “Generally you’re going to want to start off with a chest x-ray but you’re going to see that CT is actually the most sensitive test at this point in time for being able to determine if someone has covid-19. Now it is not specific meaning that there could be other infections. You can have influenza or viral pneumonia like influenza pneumonia or other different types like adenovirus (“garden-variety”) they can present with actual findings on a CT scan very similar to covid-19 but again it is helpful because of high sensitivity over %95 for looking at covid-19.”
      If taken at face value and without question the language utilized by this educator seems to imply that certain tests are optional and are up to the discretion of the Doctor. That is to suggest that different doctors may exercise their discretion in different ways depending upon the resources that may or may not be available to them (i.e. Equipment: the time and money to afford them and whether they are covered by government and/or private insurance companies). Couple these factors with the fact that hospitals receive an incentive for diagnosing patients with covid-19 and more so when putting them on a ventilator (but not for any other of the garden-variety of pneumonia: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/coronavirus-fact-check-hospitals-get-paid-more-if-patients-listed-as-covid-19-on-ventilators/ar-BB13k9pc), constant reporting by the media (that borderlines astroturfing) and you have the foundation for a consensus bias.

      In Science, it is often the case that more information enables one to refine the results of what it is they are attempting to affirm or negate as true or false so as to minimize the level of uncertainty in any given analyses. If testing procedures differ per doctor/hospital whether that is due to a difference in discretion and/or resources that can be utilized then how can one trust the statistics that are reported given the lack of consistency in testing across the board? A common definition of what “due diligence” would entail is absolutely necessary for if test that can be done are not being done then it is possible that a patient can be misdiagnosed and the improper solution administered as a result. In this case we do not wish to assume malice of our professionals, although this is possible and would not be the first time (i.e. https://www.globalresearch.ca/monsanto-controls-both-the-white-house-and-the-us-congress/5336422 – “Government appointment of Monsanto associates”), but that they may have been pressured enough to jump onto the bandwagon of the consensus.

      The media does not assist in the matter. Perpetuating the fear which drives everyone to visit a hospital regardless if there is capacity or not. Putting pressure on Doctors to perform tests that are time and cost effective so as to not hold up the line of patients waiting at the door. Especially if a test like the RT-PCR, for instance, per patient takes up to 5 or more hours! Patients would have to camp out in front of the hospitals to secure their place in line. Doctors would be working more overtime than ever since these tests take up more than half if not their entire shift. What a disposition to be in! One has to wonder if the statistics would be different if all methods mentioned were implemented per patient.

      Other factors to consider:
      Astroturf and manipulation of media messages | Sharyl Attkisson | TEDxUniversityofNevada


      “Zaosong Zheng, 30, was arrested last month at Boston’s Logan International Airport and is charged with allegedly attempting to smuggle vials of biological materials and other research materials stolen from U.S labs.”

      Correlation causation? “Factcheck.org” says NO!

      CDC passing off theoreticals as absolutes regarding herd immunity that they deem can be solely achieved via vaccination?

      Pg 264 -265
      “When a community has a high level of vaccination, an individual might decide to not be vaccinated to avoid the small risk for adverse events while benefitting from the vaccination of others. Of course, if a sufficient number of individuals make this decision, the protection levels in the community decline, the herd immunity effect is lost, and the risk of transmission rises.”

      “The theory behind herd immunity is that when someone gets vaccinated, it’s not only that person who is protected from infection—they can’t transmit the disease to other people. Herd immunity protects people who cannot be vaccinated because their immune systems aren’t strong enough and are therefore the most vulnerable to serious illness.”


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      Tetanus Vaccine May Be Laced With Anti-Fertility Drug. International / Developing Countries
      Acute Flaccid Myelitis of Unknown Etiology in California, 2012-2015
      Adverse Effects of Vaccines: Evidence and Causality
      By Institute of Medicine, Committee to Review Adverse Effects of Vaccines, Board on Population Health and Public Health Practice, Kathleen Stratton, Ellen Wright Clayton · 2012
      “Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Nails the Vaccine Argument”

    • Tri Sat Nava | July 6, 2020 at 1:58 PM | Reply

      *”Tuberculosis cases and deaths predicted to spike due to COVID-19″ https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200624103257.htm
      *”COVID-19 Coronavirus And Tuberculosis: We Need A Damage Control Plan” https://www.forbes.com/sites/madhukarpai/2020/03/17/covid-19-and-tuberculosis-we-need-a-damage-control-plan/#219d23a295ca
      *Global Fund COVID-19 Report: Deaths from HIV, TB and Malaria Could Almost Double in 12 Months Unless Urgent Action is Taken
      Filopodia and Viruses: An Analysis of Membrane Processes in Entry Mechanisms

      “Filopodia are actin-rich plasma-membrane processes that allow cells to probe their environment (Mattila and Lappalainen, 2008). The functions of filopodia are broad in nature; they contribute to wound healing processes, adhesion to the extracellular matrix (ECM), guidance toward chemoattractants, neuronal growth-cone path finding and embryonic development.”

      “Despite the vital role of filopodia in cell functions, the biological mechanisms that govern filopodial functions are not completely understood. Current studies have only scratched the surface of the numerous roles of filopodia, whether beneficial or pathogenic. An emerging example of filopodia functions in infectious diseases is the recent discovery of the role of filopodia in viral surfing during entry and trafficking.”

      Pictured: How Covid-19 hijacks human cells and causes them to sprout TENTACLES

      “Columbia University microbiologist Professor Stephen Goff admitted the finding was ‘intriguing’ but said it did not necessarily mean the tentacles were behaving as a second mode of spreading. He told the LA Times: ‘It’s intriguing and a really cool observation. But we don’t yet know what stage [of infection] is affected. It will be great fun to find out.”

      Study reveals images of the coronavirus forming tentacles in cells — but monstrous discovery helps identify new treatment

      “Many scientists have been screening thousands of drugs already approved for other uses to determine if they can also be used to treat COVID-19. We’re not doing that,” Krogan said. “We’re saying ‘Let’s understand the underlying biology behind how the virus infects us, and let’s use that against the virus.’ ”

      “They also found that the virus has a dramatic effect on a pathway — a group of kinases that form a cascade a little like falling dominoes. The virus hijacks this cascade so that the end result becomes a dangerous overreaction by our immune system.

      (**Immune systems can overreact to vaccines as well.)
      https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/guides-pubs/downloads/vacc_mandates_chptr13.pdf pg 264
      “Whether an adverse event that occurs after vaccination was caused by the vaccine or was merely temporally related and caused by some totally independent (and often unknown or unidentified) factor is often difficult to ascertain.”

      Pg 273
      “Although vaccines are safe and effective, they are neither perfectly safe nor perfectly effective. Some persons who receive vaccines will have an adverse reaction, and some will not be protected. In developing vaccines, the challenge is to minimize the likelihood of adverse effect while maximizing effectiveness. Some people have medical conditions that increase the risk for adverse effect, and therefore they should not receive vaccines. Recognizing this fact, all state vaccination laws provide for exemptions for persons with contraindicating conditions”

      “The study’s finding on this pathway may help to explain the extreme overreaction — a cytokine storm — that causes the immune system to kill both healthy and diseased tissue, leading to more than half of the deaths from COVID-19.”

      (Is it from COVID-19 only or are there underlying conditions and if the latter why should COVID-19 be labeled as sole cause when it acts more as a catalyst that is potentially exploiting what is already there as mentioned above? Thus why they are developing therapeutics that treat the immune system as opposed to the virus itself to prevent the former from overreacting.)

      Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai on Immune system and Dr. Fauci & co.
      Coronavirus cases surge in some parts of U.S. as country starts holiday weekend
      7:29 Herd Immunity achieved without vaccination.

      Coronavirus immunity might be even higher than tests show

      COVID-19 Herd Immunity Is Much Closer Than Antibody Tests Suggest, Say 2 New Studies

      Why Covid herd immunity could be ‘twice as high as first thought’

      Phantom VEO4K High-Speed Camera – Testing Anti-Viral Protective Masks using Schlieren Imaging

    • Kris Moodley | July 6, 2020 at 2:32 PM | Reply

      Kevin Williams almost as embarrassing as the turnout at a trump rally

    • Nuna Morais | July 6, 2020 at 5:48 PM | Reply

      wear a mask and you can still breath

  5. Invoke the 25th Amendment. | July 6, 2020 at 11:22 AM | Reply

    DUh, has America not been paying attention to the rest of the world?

  6. Pigs Can Fly | July 6, 2020 at 11:24 AM | Reply

    Countries like South Korea crushed it early because everyone cooperated and wore masks and practiced distancing. Same can’t be said about America right now.
    All it takes is an infected person without a mask to sneeze/cough in a confined space (such as a store) and then it’s airborne, lands on objects other people touch and pick up, etc. That’s why avoiding touching your face and washing your hands thoroughly when you’re finished shopping or commuting.

    • Ruth Graham | July 6, 2020 at 6:07 PM | Reply

      any one who listens to trump is as dumb as a cluck! Look what he’s doing/telling lies/acting crazy/

    • Virginia Tyree | July 6, 2020 at 7:36 PM | Reply

      7 6 20 Hey@Dan Sanger, You can block them. I’m on an Android mobile & the block prompt is in the upper right corner. Hope that may help. Stay safe, keep calm, & be well. v

    • they knew last year AS DID TRUMP.

    • Cuomo Primetime | July 6, 2020 at 8:58 PM | Reply

      That’s exactly how white supremacists deliberately infected China last year!

    • Shane Gibson | July 6, 2020 at 10:28 PM | Reply

      @van wray oh man! No wonder I can’t seem to get sick! It wasn’t for lack of trying

  7. When, shortly, the hospitals turn people away, and triage determines who may live and who must die, then finally some states in America will rediscover the value of truth.

  8. Carmelo Pagliaro | July 6, 2020 at 11:27 AM | Reply

    Viruses can’t never spread faster than stupidity

  9. We’re all gonna die for the stock market and I don’t even have any stocks.

    • carmen Horn | July 6, 2020 at 7:02 PM | Reply

      J P if that is true you have to visit a hospital and ask those who think they have the virus to sneeze all over your face

    • Alice Canterra | July 6, 2020 at 7:25 PM | Reply

      Well buy some stocks so if you survive then you might be able to afford toilet paper

    • Funeral Parlor stocks are shy high.

    • You won’t have a livelihood. I’m not going to live off the government.

    • Marlowe Dugger If you don’t have your money invested then you are losing money everyday. Invest in real estate or something…your money will be worthless in your savings account. The wealthy make money…they don’t sit on it.

  10. Sad, no leadership, good luck

  11. That headline would have been suitable like 3 months ago. U go america.

    • Mitchell Deliman | July 6, 2020 at 2:29 PM | Reply

      @Catania Momma Italia Republicans want you to reproduce, tell you what you can do with your body, incarcerate as many as possible and keep them alive with taxpayers dollars. Hooray for Republicans that made 2020 the best year ever. Let Republicans stay in the white house so we can have many years like 2020.

    • Mitchell Deliman | July 6, 2020 at 2:32 PM | Reply

      @Mueller Time Yes the first to protest were those wanting to open up asap. Did you forget those protesters because they were mostly white.

    • Planning the pandemic that they need YOU to be afraid of and be a part of: COV💉D-19 pastebin.com/NCHs8JgD or facebook.com/groups/CVFear/ – content banned from social media to strengthen understanding and raise questions of both the severity of the virus and the adverse measures taken against it. Also exploring the shameful behavior and manipulation of information by the news. “The overwhelming majority of people recover from this virus” “The very fact that the body is capable of spontaneously clearing the virus” -Dr. Fauci

    • @Matt 88

      KKK staies are taking the biggest hits
      covid loves that confederate flag.

    • trumps doing it for the undertakers who are making a big KILL out the virus.
      Look out New England the trump genocide machine is coming to town.

  12. First time I’ve seriously wanted to live in another country.

  13. July 2020;

    America: “Hey, this Covid thing might actually be pretty contagious”.

    Rest of world: *facepalm

    • @Big Bear Hungry i dint need the media to tell me! I can see it all over me around me…my mom work in hospital so I KNOW it is the truth i see it everyday people getting sick and dying and also YOUNG PEOPLE! I dont watch TV in a bunker …..

    • @Yaniv Hassoun so 130 thousand people die and its not deadly? WOW so smart!

    • James Miller | July 6, 2020 at 7:36 PM | Reply

      @pradanakusuma where? on T.V. oh i know, but not in real life. being taken for a ride bud. thats why you dont know anyone with it and you dont have it yourself

    • James Miller | July 6, 2020 at 7:40 PM | Reply

      @S turdy alright, you want and expert? ill put on a lab coat and a name tag with the DR. it works for them………..dum dum

    • Yaniv Hassoun | July 6, 2020 at 7:41 PM | Reply

      Sammyjo boy so stupid. Now go do your research and check how many people died of diabetes and hypertension at the same time. Then check the death rate for people under the age of 65. Then check the death rate. Only a bit high term than the flu and going down each day. CNN does not tell you that. That’s why you fool keep parroting the HEADLINE number to get you to “shelter in place” like a poor scared puppy. Sad to watch

  14. “No worse than the flu.” – Remember those times when 911 and hospitals were paralyzed because of the flu? Me neither. This is NOT the flu.

    • @Flavius Stilicho lmao hope u get covid then

    • @Lloyd Christmas So the whole world is lying? THE ENTIRE WORLD IS A DEMOCRAT? ARE YOU INSANE???

    • It’s been around for a lot longer than 150 days. Nobody realized because China never revealed it.

    • CAFECABRONES | July 6, 2020 at 8:43 PM | Reply

      @Mario, no, its the mild flu…idiot

    • INFOMANIA X | July 6, 2020 at 8:47 PM | Reply

      @Sammyjo yeah it’s very very bad get ready cuz you’re going to get it going to wipe you out and everybody you know ,,don’t wear your Mask hug everybody when you greet them and party in large groups Gonna Get You Anyway… all that sounds kind of racist,, it’s all so damn confusing

  15. There are actually third world countries that are doing much better than Florida at this point. Florida is like the toilet pipe at the end of our country draining out the IQ.

  16. cadillac blue | July 6, 2020 at 1:15 PM | Reply

    So much for the “miracle” of sunshine killing this virus… humans barely survive in Phoenix in the summertime heat but the virus just gets stronger.

    • Mary Rodger | July 6, 2020 at 4:31 PM | Reply

      @Linda Fernandes I retired from nursing Linda WEAR A MASK and wash your hands frequently. If you don’t then maybe someone I used to work with will be assigned to take care of you in ICU one day.

    • I knew the theory that the virus would recede in warm weather was poppycock. It’s these mistakes that have made this pandemic so much worse. It would have been better if they had just said at the beginning that they don’t know a lot about this new virus. What they did know they should have consolidated into one national narrative so we would all be on the same page.

    • China Admits Barack Hussein Obama and Dr. Tony Fauci Paid Level 4 Wuhan, China Weapons Lab $3.5 Million To Develop Coronavirus That’s Destroying Global Economy

    • Tom McDermott | July 6, 2020 at 6:47 PM | Reply

      @The Viking From the US Dept of Labor: “Cloth face masks will not protect the wearer against transmissible infectious agents due to loose fit, lack of seal, and inadequate filtration.”
      From the surgeons journal Inside Surgery: “Surgical masks will not block aerosolized particles as small as a droplet containing influenza virions from entering the airway.” New England Journal of Medicine: ” Wearing a mask outside of health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection.”

    • Lisa Velasquez | July 6, 2020 at 9:25 PM | Reply

      @The Siren ☆☆☆!Lv

  17. Waseem Moyideen | July 6, 2020 at 1:19 PM | Reply

    6 July 2020. Americans: “This virus spreads easily.”

    Rest of world: …..

  18. It feels like we’re getting worse

    • I disagree, but just an opinion from being around so many people and hearing what they think. 🤔

  19. Its not confusing: the difference is droplet size:

    1. Heavy droplets have a range of about 1.5 meter.
    2. Aerosols, really small droplets, float much longer.

    If they contain enough virus, its way more dangerous. Especially in closed environments or dense crowds. Like a church or a rally……….


  20. Cupcake Angela | July 6, 2020 at 1:46 PM | Reply

    Covid-19 is airborne. I can’t believe it took these people 7 months to figure out. The number of worldwide cases went from 1 million to 10 million in 2 months…

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