Evidence Stirs Doubt About Sondland Claims About Trump Phone Call | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

Ben Rhodes, former deputy national security adviser, talks about the sheer volume of evidence gathered by the Trump impeachment inquiry and how it's making it difficult for Donald Trump to explain away his Ukraine scheme. Aired on 11/27/19.
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Evidence Stirs Doubt About Sondland Claims About Trump Phone Call | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

86 comments

  1. Why would he even use the words “quid pro quo” in the phone call unless he already knew people were going to accuse him of it??

    1. @JJoe you realize those words he spoke were recorded the day that the complaint went through, right? He found out that day about the complaint. He didn’t predict anything, he WAS caught.

    1. @Sinister Sparky is using a fake name while accusing other people of being fake. That’s hilarious. It’s obvious why “Sparky” wants to avoid having to engage in serious debate, preferring instead to accuse anyone who disagrees of being a sock puppet.

      Oh, and how stupid is it to say I’m trying to steer “public policy” in a YouTube comments section? LOL

    2. Oh boo don’t be upset, it means left handed electrician. Not a fake account, I’ve had it for a long time and live on the west coast. How about you @Chris H, can you explain your canned, formulaic, algorithmically generated format? Where do you live, tell me about the place – is it nice buttercup? I don’t engage in conversational intercourse with people I don’t know, might catch something. So help me get to know you troll, help me understand you so we can fornicate with words huh punkin? I’m ready for a good old fashioned “bible bash” as the missionaries like to say. Ready to match wits, half wit?
      To start with, make a cogent argument backed up by quantifiable facts (no gratuitous facts) and reference them. Now don’t do what most hacks like to do and cite a general volume then say to “look it up”. Actually reference real factual details and not anecdotal evidence (anecdotes aren’t facts, they’re stories).
      I’m making some turkey flavored popcorn, waiting for the show.
      And go!

    3. @Sinister Sparky _”I don’t engage in conversational intercourse with people I don’t know…”_

      So you admit that you’re only here to be a troll. Got it.

    4. This popcorn is delicious. Still waiting. Apparently it doesn’t translate well into Russian where I was trying to get to know it and engage in a discussion whilst waiting for a cogent argument. It doesn’t have one.
      #trollpatrol

  2. Children, are we not paying attention? Lying under oath to the Congress is seriously problematic and tends to land one in the hoosgow!!😳

    1. @Maha Tiki Cat “Is Schiff under perpetual oath while in Congress? Def doesn’t smell like it”
      Schiff isn’t testifying, and hasn’t told a single lie that you can name. Go ahead, you’re implying it, spell it out. Oh, that’s right, you can’t. Because YOU are the liar here.

    2. @George Watanabe hahaha. I was responding to someone else’s comment. You might want to check back where someone accuses Schiff of not “smelling like” he’s under oath. At lease that’s the way I read it. No, I’m not a republican.

    3. @Maha Tiki Cat I would believe Adam Schiff any day over Trump. Trump does nothing but lie. In his first divorce he pleaded the 5th 5 times just so he wouldn’t have to admit to the affairs.

    1. The ambassador was correct in trump not wanting a quid pro quo.he changed his story only because the media had these stories on various women claiming he took improprieties with them.meanwhile you dumb democrats are not only helping increase Trump’s fundraising efforts, the net effect of these hearings is you’re loosing independent voters who are looking at this rationally and saying I’m going to vote for trump and this will result in a bigger landslide victory in 2020 and you will PREDICTABLY claim Russia,turkey or Ukraine for the loss and you in turn will never learn the lesson on why you lost AGAIN

  3. “No quid pro quo. I want nothing from Ukraine. Nothing.” Said in Trump teleprompter voice. I guess it’s not a crime if you say you didn’t do it afterwards.

    1. @JJoe No one has said a quid pro quo is a crime. It’s the nature of this specific quid pro quo that is an impeachable offense. Trying to bribe a different nation to help Trump get re-elected by threatening to hold back military assistance that was approved for his (and our) country’s security against Putin if he didn’t agree to do something that had nothing to do with benefitting our national interest, as other president’s have. This quid pro quo was solely for Trump’s personal benefit, despite the threat to our national security.

    2. @JJoe No one has said quid pro quo is a crime. The impeachable offense is trying to bribe a foreign leader to help Trump’s re-election chances by withholding and threatening to withhold even longer critical military assistance that was earmarked to protect our national security by helping that foreign leader protect his country’s national security against a mutual adversary in exchange for a person favor for Trump. Whether it’s a crime will be determined by a court. The obstruction of justice surely is.

    3. @JJoe Obama, Clinton, Bush, etc. didn’t bribe a foreign ally to benefit himself, and a long term mutual adversary (Putin)

  4. Hundreds of dead Kurds didn’t matter to Trump, nor hundreds of Ukrainians. What hope did the border children have.
    Anyone would think there was a white-supremacist advising him.

    1. @Chris H
      It sure appears that way – within the bounds of what he can get away with politically without making it TOO obvious who he is working for.

    2. @Pat Doyle But you must know that the US intelligence community has been pursuing basically the same anti-Russia agenda since the 50s. And there were clear economic reasons why Russians moved into Ukraine.

    3. @Paul Wilson everything is racist. But actually nothing is. Except a few stupid people spread around the country. And nobody likes them. Don’t be racist.

    4. Ray Watson : trump should be charged for Something for Being a traitor to the Kurds. He should have to pay something for their lives!!!!

    1. Mr. Pink hearsay talking points are always brought up as trumps defense. People on the phone call and ambassadors Sondland. The latter was apart of the quid pro quo ring. And as for timeline, it doesn’t work like that. Where did you go to law school? Trump university?

    2. @vsedai He seems to have an extra account, and specialises in stalking a female poster from America.
      Imagine WH but _more_

    3. @Mr. Pink OK, I have some time, and this looks like it might be amusing, so I’ll play.

      What, EXACTLY, did Biden do?

      Now, before you start vomiting forth inanities, do us both a favor and find some actual FACTS to back your assertions.

      Your Opinion ≠ FACTS
      Someone else’s Opinion ≠ FACTS
      They say/said ≠ FACTS
      Right Wing Talking Points ≠ FACTS
      Conspiracy Theories, (debunked or otherwise) ≠ Facts
      LIES ≠ FACTS

      FACTS = FACTS

      Facts are easily researched and stand, on their face, regardless of who is reporting them.

      So, you up to the challenge?

    4. @Mr. Pink I’ll come back after the report and see if you can handle the fact that Trump was of course lying about Obama. If you are right I will say so….hope you can be woman enough to do the same.

    5. Mr. Pink Keep being stereotypical, goodness me. Go crawl under that rock from which you came from, and go look in the mirror and determine what a stereotype looks like. Good luck, you’ll need it….bye Felicia 👋🏽

  5. Trump wasn’t even asked about quid pro quo in the supposed phone call. It’s like the police pulling a car over, approaching the window, and the driver immediately shouting, “NO OFFICER, THERE ARE NO BRICKS OF COCAINE IN THE TRUNK OF MY CAR!”

    1. @MSBLS721 I remember once Martin Luther King Jr said I have a dream and it was the best dream I mean it was fantastic it was a dream nobody ever seen before it was huge tremendous and bigly.
      I believe those were his exact words

  6. Would Donny Darko use the words Quid-Pro Quo?
    Does he even know what it means?
    It certainly doesn’t sound like the language he generally uses?
    He can only just stumble around English, let alone Latin.

    1. That’s how they all get their “jobs.” Handshakes, club/frat memberships, campaign contributions. Education and experience are not needed. The current administration and its ignorance are daily examples of this. Their lives are one big quid pro quo and they want us – those who dont have such advantages (money, contacts, well connected family)- to accept it and act as if it’s not against the law.

    2. @beverly a Cool sock-puppet account you got there. Way to troll and ghost, excellent technique there! Lame.
      #trollpatrol

    1. and also considering that he contradicts that by saying he wanted general corruption to be investigated before the aid was released. He completely over compensated with that conversation.

  7. Did anyone really believe a man who struggles with english which is his own language would suddenly use latin in a phone call?

  8. Just another lying piece of crap millionaire who thinks this is all ok and normal but it’s truly not normal far from it. We need change in America big time .

    1. @Carpe Diem Arts would have helped if Bernie was actually a Democrat but he wasnt and still isn’t, just using the Democratic platform. And to clarify I dont mean he is not a Democrat in views I mean his is an Independent who is using the Democratic platform but wont join the team. Shouldn’t be a shocker that a team may look after team members better than interlopers.

    2. @Pamela Wilson What does it say about the Democratic Party that the candidate with the most grassroots support isn’t even a real Democrat?

    3. @Chris H unfortunately for Bernie, he never made the inroads with the actual base of the Democratic party, the ones who actually go to the ballot box and vote. Too many people vote on their feelings about a candidate, not about actual ability, which leads to many voters being wishy washy about actually making it to the ballot box and voting. Going to rallies and making comments on social media does not in the end elect a candidate. So no suprise that the Dems stuck with the candidate to whom the hard base who goes and votes was more comfortable with. I dont mean for the comment to be in anyway disparaging to Bernie, but his main base was young people who so far have not been reliable voters, they go to rallies and cheer but on the day the votes count, they are generally a no show. The midterms in 2018 were a historic one that in the 18-29 age group the voter rate went up from 20% to 36%, so maybe this is changing.

    4. @Pamela Wilson I get what you’re saying, but I’m not sure that argument holds water. Bernie was more popular, he just wasn’t popular with the Dem establishment. And he still isn’t. There’s a deep rift in the party that I think will probably lead to a second term for Trump. The DNC will not allow someone like Bernie to be the nominee because such a candidate threatens their power. They’d rather a Republican win because their policies are more aligned. And I think that’s fine with progressive and far-left voters too. They’d rather have Trump than an establishment Dem because they recognize that it’s the Democratic establishment that’s the real impediment to progress and are willing to forfeit as many elections as it takes to get there.

  9. The republicans don’t even mention national security while spinning this whistleblower quid pro quo impeachment mess.

  10. Lock up Trump and every Republican that’s still willing to betray our country for the benefit of this lying, cheating crime boss.

    1. By By Miss American pie,
      Drove my Kia to the Costco, but my wallet was dry,
      Good ol boys, telling lie after lie,
      This is how democracy dies,
      This is how democracy dies…

  11. Does anybody really believe Trump said “no quid pro quo”, Trump can barely speak English, let alone Latin.

    1. “I hope they now go and take a look at the _oranges,_ the _oranges_ of the investigation. The beginnings of that investigation…where it started, who started it…the Mueller report I wish covered the _oranges_ of how it started. The beginnings of the investigation.”

      –Dementia Don

  12. Trump’s reading of the note: “I want no quid pro quo” sounds like O.J.’s book: “If I did it here’s how I would’ve done it”

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