Fallacy Of Trump Mail Voting Criticism Exposed By Colorado Success | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

Fallacy Of Trump Mail Voting Criticism Exposed By Colorado Success | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC 1

Jena Griswold, Colorado secretary of state, explains how Colorado has been successfully operating a vote-by-mail system for years even as Donald Trump tries to convince Americans that it can't be done. Aired on 7/31/2020.
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110 Comments on "Fallacy Of Trump Mail Voting Criticism Exposed By Colorado Success | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC"

  1. Seven Falls Trail | August 1, 2020 at 1:38 AM | Reply

    we’ve been voting by mail here in Oregon since the Reagan Administration it saves a state taxpayers millions of dollars every year it’s unhackable it’s not connected to the internet in any way everybody gets to vote from the elderly and disabled who have a hard time making it to polls should everybody who likes to sit down and take their time going through each issue it’s so much easier to do than in a booth . the only reason people don’t want vote-by-mail because they don’t want the Americans voice to be heard they know more people will vote and they know that they will lose if more people vote
    They’d rather have Russian style elections so they can cheat .

    • anne-marie Andrews Trump misappropriated funds of his charity after giving millions to charity for years. He payed the settlement and closed his charity. Why is this bad? What r u saying about Ivanka I don’t follow you?

    • anne-marie Andrews The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) to the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791.[1] It expresses the principle of federalism and states’ rights, which strictly supports the entire plan of the original Constitution for the United States of America, by stating that the federal government has only those powers delegated to it; all remaining powers are reserved for the states or the people.

    • anne-marie Andrews The president of the United States (POTUS)[A] is the head of state and head of government of the United States of America. The president directs the executive branch of the federal government and is the commander-in-chief of the United States Armed Forces.

    • @anne-marie Andrews brighten can’t even remember his name Martha find my pants
      It’s pathetic Democrats think they can sneak a woman in this way
      but I do have to give Susan Rice credit for not getting on the stage during the debates with this insane clown posse

    • anne-marie Andrews The president is head of the executive branch of the federal government and is constitutionally obligated to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed”

  2. Donals Trump is a one term, impeached, unfaithful to his spouse, 5 time bankrupt, narcissist who surrounds himself with convicted felons. A complete disaster!

    • patricia lafountain | August 1, 2020 at 7:15 PM | Reply

      Yeah well what about our troops over seas???? He’s going to make it so they can’t vote as well? This is so criminal.

    • @patricia lafountain Thanks

    • OnWingsOfHope | August 2, 2020 at 9:44 AM | Reply

      Trump is nothing more then Putin’s coffee boy.

    • patricia lafountain | August 2, 2020 at 9:48 AM | Reply

      @OnWingsOfHope Well he hands the coffee to putin very well.


    • Macdonald Maurice | August 2, 2020 at 10:10 AM | Reply

      and you forgot to add, – a total liar on every matter!

  3. There is no evidence of voter fraud, only a fraudulent president.

    • Patrick Kingfisher Kennedy | August 2, 2020 at 8:08 AM | Reply

      @Terry Petersen I read about the WV mail carrier switching ballots from Democrat to republican. Pathetic cowards don’t know how to win without cheating.

    • Well said 👍🌊🌊🌊⚖️⚖️⚖️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

    • Shawn Connolly | August 3, 2020 at 9:00 AM | Reply

      Are you serious yes their is voter fraud the democrats have been caught for years.

    • Shawn Connolly And where is your evidence? Beliefs without evidence are for the birds and those with bird brains.

    • Kwarkool @ this story is a distraction to make Trump look bad.

      The Democrats will never introduce the Colorado mail in ballot tracking system, because citizens have to go in person to register as a US citizen to vote with suitable ID, and proof of residency, that information is needed to check if they’re eligible to vote and if they’re valid, there mail in ballot is processed for a tracking number. Only 3 states have the mail in ballot tracking system, Colorado’s is 6 years old.

      The Democrats never said anything about funding or training to introduce a mail in ballot tracking system in a 4 month time frame?

  4. Washington has been doing this for decades as well

    • patrick kirkland | August 1, 2020 at 1:12 PM | Reply

      And that’s why you have all Dems ruining your state. They cheat their way in.

    • @patrick kirkland Studies have shown vote-by-mail actually increases the percentage of registered Republicans participating in an election. The fact that Repubs are still against it, despite this evidence, is just more illustration of how stupid they really are. And, Washington State has a Democrat governmental majority because it has a Democrat population majority. There’s this thing called demographics. You should look into it. Of course, seeing how your comment isn’t based in knowledge or reality, I know you won’t. You’ll just search for another conspiracy theory to justify your preconceived (and ill-conceived) notions.

    • patrick kirkland | August 1, 2020 at 4:28 PM | Reply

      @mugwump242 WE DON”T TRUST YOU!

  5. I like her straight forward attitude.

    • I am registered in Colorado. This person is a fierce champion of our right to vote. When I’m out of the country, which I am as much as not, I can cast my ballot online when necessary.

    • I like your profile pic and name,😉

  6. Time for “operation orange peel “

  7. The only voter fraud is being committed by republicans with voter supression

    • Athena Kebano | August 1, 2020 at 1:01 PM | Reply

      @Mister Guy I’m so glad to see that there’re some people who know what they’re talking about! I cannot stand ignorance! 4 years of that in the WH is already too much to bare!🤦‍♀️

    • patrick kirkland | August 1, 2020 at 1:14 PM | Reply

      Read the news fool. All dems are going to jail.

    • a lot of poor people don’t have driving licences, or passports. they usually rely on mail voting through residential records. Trump will make it even more difficult.

    • @aragorn4242 Exactly. Native Americans have it even harder.
      I like your youtube name. 42 is my favorite number (and is the answer to life, the universe and everything) and Aragorn has been one of my favorite fictional characters since the 70’s. I have an ‘Aragorn-ish’ character in a science-fantasy horror trilogy I’m presently writing.

    • elroy the great | August 2, 2020 at 1:13 AM | Reply

      Bite me you moron.

  8. I will say this on the record: whatever the postal service needs to help get these mail in votes processed, I will VOLUNTEER to help, for FREE. Just tell me where to go and what to do.

    • Evelyn Murphy | August 2, 2020 at 3:06 AM | Reply

      Send in the State Troopers to protect the mail service during voting instead of having them working for trump during protests & all would be well.!!!!

    • Southern Belle | August 2, 2020 at 3:35 AM | Reply

      @Evelyn Murphy Yeah do that!!!!

    • I second that!! Tell me WHEN and WHERE!!!🙋🏽🙋🏽🙋🏽🙋🏽

    • Roy Johnson where do I signup?

    • This is a distraction, msnbc is not telling you why the Democrats won’t introduce the Colorado mail in ballot tracking system…

      Because the Colorado mail in ballot tracking system needs you to register to it first, similar to how you apply for the absentee ballot, for a Social Security card or Drivers License, you need to show ID and forms showing your residency address, to be processed that you’re eligible to vote first, before your mail in ballot is entered into the tracking system first.

      California and New York don’t have the money or the time to train people to install the system that Colorado has had for 6 years…

  9. This is a President that lies and then lies about lying over and over again.

    • Dale Hartley | August 1, 2020 at 9:31 PM | Reply

      @fooman2108 I am hoping that we can get trump and his cultist out…I set my goals tiny so they are feasible 😉
      But yet After that I have more hopes that we can develop more parties to force coalitions and encourage cooperation towards common agendas….when people HAVE to compromise to get stuff done, they seem to try for better deals and negotiate with more faith and determination. We have lost all hope atm of compromise, we need to start again. The republicans and proven with trump that they value greed over life, and country. They value money over life and country. That they will rake the bottom of the barrel bordering on treason if not crossing the border in the pursuit of those goals. I have no choice but to vote blue, I swore and oath to defend this country from enemies both foreign and domestic, this red tide has been the most serious the country has faced in my life time ( and I saw our boys walk on the moon)
      SO after my long-windiness if you can understand what i meant. then I hope we can agree because we will need unity to bring change, but still diversity even in our politics. Not the colour of our skin, but the colour of our ideas, our skin colour should not ever matter.

    • William Harris | August 1, 2020 at 10:35 PM | Reply

      Dale Hartley sorry I didn’t read your messages through…too long. You started the insults. I stated the obvious.

    • @William Harris I stated the obvious also ;), trump is not a good businessman, never has been. His history is public for the most part, he has failed at 20+ businesses. Yes you might say trying things is good, but he actually failed at some easy ones like the casinos. He also tried a couple times at them ( like trump the game)
      Anyway you have a good one, but I would do some research into his past, like his escort service 😉 lol….not kidding you.

    • William Harris | August 1, 2020 at 11:12 PM | Reply

      Dale Hartley well like I said, I didn’t read all that. First sentence, last sentence. You think President Trump will lose. You think I proved to be stupid. We live on a tropical island in the South Pacific so mostly don’t care.

    • @Ky Flag yup. It appears that way.

  10. Oh now we know why he doesn’t want mail in voting. It’s traceable.

    • He’s a hypocrite because he has voted by mail

    • Stephen Anderson | August 2, 2020 at 3:00 PM | Reply

      Traceable is good because here in Colorado I can go to the elections website and track my ballot and be reassured that its not sitting somewhere stashed in a post office warehouse like what happens in Florida to absentee ballots. Honesty the GOP in Texas are scared of the Colorado model because minority and poor Texas will have more of a say. It should be illegal to deny a citizen a ballot to vote in any form. And Election Day should be a holiday.

    • isthis myrealname | August 3, 2020 at 1:08 PM | Reply

      @Mister Guy just apply for an absentee ballot. It’s secure and requires proper identification.

    • isthis myrealname | August 3, 2020 at 1:09 PM | Reply

      @Stephen Anderson yeah it will change from democrat to Republican when it’s counted

    • Stephen Anderson | August 3, 2020 at 6:57 PM | Reply

      @isthis myrealname So why Republicans are scared of mail-in voting then

  11. His lies are too easy to tell but yet there’s still 40% who believe nothing but lies, you just can’t fix stupid

    • Robert Gagne | August 1, 2020 at 9:35 AM | Reply

      YOU CAN”T FIX STUPID!!! Requires being said louder, and far more often! Thank you! Vote the FAILURE out in November, because America and the rest of the World need a return to SANITY!

    • Hector Ruelas | August 1, 2020 at 12:22 PM | Reply

      I don’t believe that 40% number, never have. I don’t know who is getting poled but I have a feeling they’re either the same people or they’re getting paid, just like the tea party idiots were paid. There are always people whose morals and ethics are up for sale.

    • Well, He did say he loves the uneducated lol

    • Immortal FAE13 | August 1, 2020 at 2:46 PM | Reply


    • Yes and that’s very sad.

  12. james kenyon | August 1, 2020 at 2:16 AM | Reply

    I live in Oregon and we have been voting by mail since 1985 and we have not had any problems! Trump is full of crap when he says vote by mail will be rigged.

    • If you plan on voting absentee, get that absentee ballot before the deluge. Do it NOW here. Sign the form and review it carefully: https://www.vote.org/

    • When he says “rigged” he really means not in his favor. Just like how all polls that show him losing are “fake suppression” and all news that doesn’t portray him in glowing terms is “fake news”. Classic narccisitic personality disorder.

    • james kenyon | August 2, 2020 at 2:12 AM | Reply

      @Tzvi Krasner No doubt in my mind, classic narcissistic patterns. His mind is twisted so much that it doesn’t matter what anyone says negative about him he twists it around in his twisted mind to make it sound like they like him, creepy!

    • It will be rigged, by him…meaning by detaining it , he is still messing with the Federal Mail!!! Period.

    • james kenyon | August 3, 2020 at 2:59 PM | Reply

      @Jean Jackson I’ve read one letter that belonged to someone as it was important and they were not able to get to it i.e, I had their permission. But other than that I would never read someone’s mail, never as I believe it to be un-American as well as unscrupulous, unethical, and just down right mean and nasty! However there are millions of young American’s who are honest and understand that this president wants to be the first American dictator and they know that America does not need or want a dictator as we just went through that with Hitler!

  13. FE RnKmaster | August 1, 2020 at 2:26 AM | Reply

    This government is useless. The safest way to vote in a pandemic is by mail. But the corrupt President screeches day and night that mail-in-voting is fraudulent, which is untrue. Then, he tries to sabotage the Post Office to prove his point, thus forcing more people to expose themselves to a deadly virus that he did nothing to fight.

    At what point do we charge Trump with malicious and premeditated intent to harm the American people for his own gain?

    • Marty Baldwin | August 1, 2020 at 6:31 PM | Reply

      D. Price Huh?? Can everyone in every state do that? I’ll do it if that’s the safest way to get it there even if I have to drive the 30 miles it takes to get there!

    • Marty Baldwin | August 1, 2020 at 6:33 PM | Reply

      Captain Clone It’s not voter fraud that I’m now worried about-it’s Trump’s manipulation of the postal service to clog up the works.

    • patricia lafountain | August 1, 2020 at 6:47 PM | Reply

      @Marty Baldwin Trumpsters love violence and ignorance. They also love it when he speaks foul and disgusting words towards others and his propaganda BS. They are so incompetent and their ignorance is so amazing that even when trump said he loves the uneducated they didn’t even realize he was talking about them. AND he wants to cut on education so he can keep people stupid??? Luckily two thirds of our country actually have brains.

    • Lesley Watson | August 2, 2020 at 6:57 AM | Reply

      FE RnKmaster You said it all, Thankyou!

    • Exactly! ????

  14. Vivian Pixley | August 1, 2020 at 2:49 AM | Reply

    BUT…..If he wins it won’t be fraudulent right? Only if he loses…..We The People….need to stop him.

  15. Trump dissolved the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity ran by Chris Kobach why? No evidence of voter fraud found.

    • @Scurra The Heritage Foundation includes the nine cases in Michigan from a local election in Michigan in which people were registered to vote in a district other than the one they lived in. It had nothing to do with their own attempts at fraud, but that the city of Ann Arbor and the township it resides in had split up jurisdictions so badly no one, not even the the local city/township clerks could figure it out. It only came to light because of a tie vote for a city seat. The case got some voters thrown in jail because they refused to divulge their votes to a judge. The judge ultimately was sentenced to do time for his abuse of power.

    • @cdjhyoung interesting

    • @cdjhyoung Qualification to my statement. No widespread voter fraud found. The statistics say 0.0005 %of the billions of votes cast in the last few decades of voter fraud.

    • Because he didn’t find the fraud Trump was claiming, proving Trump was lying.

    • @Scurra The other part of this fantasy is that have yet to identify any organized voting fraud. Every instance is either a single voter voting in the wrong place, or someone trying to vote multiple times. No great conspiracies at all, until, of course, you look at what happened in Georgia in 2018.

  16. Isn’t it a felony to mess with the Mail? Shouldn’t the Pres be arrested?? He’s obviously trying to rig the Election, just like in a sh*thole country

    • soaringvulture | August 2, 2020 at 12:42 PM | Reply

      @teehud313 The framers of the Constitution made the tacit assumption that we would not elect a shameless weasel to be President. Because we failed in the last election, that assumption is no longer operative. We may not be able to recover from this error.

    • Tim Boyer That’s not a law. It is a “memo” of the DOJ. I think is from the 70’s.

    • Anna Jorgensen | August 2, 2020 at 1:17 PM | Reply

      @Robert Schumann did you think maybe someone else gave him the idea. Any one of his administration could have started it going.

    • Stephen Anderson | August 2, 2020 at 3:03 PM | Reply

      Polling stations should have drop off boxes for secured ballots in secured envelopes. America its not that hard third world countries have less election problems than we do. Sad.

    • @Anna Jorgensen I just searched Wiki for info on The Firm. It was out last century!!!! I remember watching it on VHS (from Blockbuster) Anyway, it sort of pushes the point that if you overcharge someone in a shop and they complain, well you simply pay them back. If you send an excessive bill THRU THE POST, then you are using the carrier to commit a crime and that is Mail Fraud….. Go directly to Jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200……

  17. Trump said it all “If there were mail in ballots in every state there wouldn’t be enough republicans voted for to win.”

    • @Callie Mae Bordley they certainly do, and I encourage ALL to vote….I also encourage all to vote blue 🙂 The Red Tide or the Cleansing Blue Wave However, I encourage ALL to be US Citizens and put country over party no matter how they vote and after this is over I still encourage that.

    • Please, please, PLEASE… do NOT refer to the trumplican CULT, and the rest of the trumplican supplicants as EITHER Conservatives, OR Republicans! tRUMP and his followers are NEITHER of those! tRUMP’s ONLY restricting government interference idea is keeping forensic accountants and tax experts out his business(es)!!!

    • Republicans are afraid of the democratic process.

    • Because Republican voters can’t read.

    • @Old Scribe I AM a REPUBLICAN and a CONSERVATIVE!!! I read your silly comment just fine! My three years of college wer relly dificoolt and it waz all i cood do to pas. OR maybe you need to not generalize and LEARN that the trumplican CULT is NOT Republican NOR Conservative.

  18. sandra olajide | August 1, 2020 at 4:05 AM | Reply

    trump doesn’t like Vote by Mail, because the Russians can’t “hack” a hard copy

    • Callie Mae Bordley | August 1, 2020 at 11:45 AM | Reply

      Say that again, so the people who are sleep can wake up.

    • soaringvulture | August 1, 2020 at 12:12 PM | Reply

      That’s right. Trump will have to get actual goons to go in and steal ballots. And that costs money because he has to pay Betsy de Vos’ brother to train and organize them and put them in camo. But he’ll do it if he has to.

    • Gee, thought the Mueller report spelled it ALL out for the tardlibs………………………….. jus another Angry Karen!

    • soaringvulture | August 1, 2020 at 1:13 PM | Reply

      @Joe Po Well gee, Joe, the Mueller report confirmed Russian efforts to disturb the 2016 election. You got a problem with those facts?

    • Yet he votes by mail.

  19. The only fraud that the US needs to be concerned about is the fraud known as Donald Trump.

  20. *Trump doesn’t want 4 more years of Presidency -> Trump wants 4 more years of Immunity. Let’s end this nightmare on Nov 3rd. Wear a Mask and VOTE HIM OUT.*

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