How The United States Failed To Control The Virus | Morning Joe | MSNBC

David Leonhardt of The New York Times discusses his new reporting on America's failure to control the coronavirus. Aired on 08/14/2020.
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    1. @Janet Neighbors Fall for the msm bull sh!t instead? You have a better description of human immune responses? Let’s hear it.

    2. @dean mushtuk If you want to know the truth about “herd immunity” ask someone who knows what theyre talking about ask a PROFESSIONAL like Dr. Facci

    3. @Janet Neighbors Or you can ask the honest top microbiologists in the world that actually make the vaccines are saying…globalnews.ca/news/7085775/coronavirus-vaccine-false-hope/

  1. Please vote…. the moron Whisperer must be stopped. I’m not saying who it is I will just let you guess

    1. Mark bodman The left is not promoting riots or looting. They are against it. They are as is the majority of America and the rest of the world for peaceful protesters who have been shown in a recent study (see Forbes.com) not to cause a spike in Coronavirus. The virus does not spread easily outdoors when people are wearing masks.

    2. @Mark bodman If you weren’t an ignorant moron, you’d know that Spring Festival (the most important holiday in the Chinese culture) is in February. Unfortunately, you either ARE that uninformed or just a dishonest pleb.

    1. @Mark bodman You’ve convinced me…I’m going to vote for the candidate that can operate an umbrella. : )

    2. @Mark bodman Feb? 6 months ago. BEFORE anyone knew how many cases were in America? BEFORE anyone knew how contagious it is? BEFORE anyone knew how it is transmitted? BEFORE anyone knew that Trump was getting briefing about an impending crises.

    3. @William H Music 2020 Billy boy it is heating up .
      It’s the back nine on a Sunday.
      Gonna be fun Billy.

    4. Destroying? More like saving. He’s the best president ever in history. He saved so many lives. It could have been much worse. Fake news. MAGA! Trump 20/20!

  2. Well, t’rump always wanted to be a president that history would remember.
    Too bad for him it will be as the most incompetent and stupidest president who let 200,000 Americans die under his watch.

    1. @badass bobbyjohnson too many stupid people out there that think they know more than the experts(herd immunity)

    1. Ah Nancy Botox Peloisi was promoting tourism in San Francisco’s Chinatown in February. Guessing that didn’t help.
      Cuomo was promoting Chinese parades in February as well. Hmmmm
      Guessing that didn’t help.
      The left promoting riots for the past two months my guess is it’s not helping. Lip service. Election year pandering.

    2. The problem with the rich isn’t that they have more money; the problem with them is that think they deserve better than everyone else BECAUSE they have money. But don’t social distance, and, as Clint Eastwood said in “Unforgiven”, “deserves got nothin’ to to with it!”

    1. @Mark bodman sure Mark that 40 percent does not matter, unless it’s someone in your family. Then you would be singing a different tune.

    2. @Darren McDonald We all die Darren. Most of that 40% were ready for death as one should be.
      Cuomo sending Covid patients to nursing homes probably not a good idea. He had empty hospital’s.

    3. @Darren McDonald but let’s just make our mommy basement dwelling life mean something with Orange man bad wet dreams.

    4. @Susan Galea Thankyou! You’ve illustrated my point beautifully.Hyperbole is precisely why we’re burdened by Trump and why 40% are unreachable to most media outlets.

    1. @Kris Moodley That sound reasonable, yes. I don’t recall having excluded legislators from my rough “assessment”. Worse, the are also in complicity by inaction and/or facilitating.

    2. Peter Schotanus the whole system is a mess it seems all that most politicians do is pander to big business it should be illegal to offer or accept corporate money

    3. @Kris Moodley paying or accepting is 2 sides of litterally the same ‘coin’. Demand and supply. An utterly ridiculous yet widely accepted and, if I’m not wrong, even encouraged mechanism for a very long time. And the it’s tax-deductable. How can many legislators on all sides of the spectrum be so wealthy with an invome of 180.000 USD per annum. The system makes corruption or corruptability inevitable.

  3. I remember seeing lots of Americans trying to get home with no warning from the President etc. They had a short time to leave and the Administration didn’t have any plans in place (as usual) so there was no social distancing (people wanted to get out in time), and no masks, no checking of covid 19 or temperature checks etc. It was another mess made by Trump.

    1. @Mark bodman Wow, that must of been incredible. I hope you made a video of the room you were in so you can show it to people while telling them about the amazing experience you had that most people could only dream about.

    2. The chaos and fear are precisely what he wants more than anything as he can lie more easily under such chaos. So he has stalled and obstructed all efforts to tackle the pandemic and has actually incited the continued social unrest. All of this is classic strategy in the rising of an autocrat.

    1. @Dale Blake bs slick. Compare our 2%rate with world average and pfffff. Estimates we’re 2.2m he saved millions. TY Trump and team Pence.

    2. @Mark bodman The US makes up 4% of the world’s population and we have 25% of the covid-19 cases. No one thinking rationally would believe a partial travel ban to China (that had over 4,000 entries from China afterward) would be all that was needed to prepare for a pandemic in the months we had to take action. There is no evidence showing Trump’s travel restrictions to China saved lives, especially since people from Europe were coming here spreading it all over the country.
      Trump’s response to the pandemic has been an epic failure of leadership from the start and it continues to be. Ten’s of thousands of Americans lost their lives needlessly because of it. The Republican investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference concluded Trump’s campaign was actively involved with Russia to undermine the election. I don’t want us to have a President who is under Putin’s control like we have now.

    3. @Dale Blake LMMFAO. Nobody on team Trump has ever been charged with or sentenced for anything close to collusion with Russians.

    4. @Dale Blake and when you stand against the murder of 60 million babies i will believe you care for the lives of 180k week and old people.

    5. @Mark bodman And when your party starts to care about the millions of children around the world who starve to death each year I would believe you are pro-life and not just pro-birth. Every chance they get Republicans cut funding for any program that benefits for the poor children in this country. They have shown us for decades their mission is to give tax breaks to the wealthiest people in our country. They say by doing so it will benefit everyone and generate a lot more tax dollars because of all the growth it will have. But, for some reason, it never does those things.

  4. ‘Narcissistic personality disorder’ is a mental condition. “Symptoms include an excessive need for admiration, an inflated sense of one’s own importance, an excessive need for attention, exaggerated achievements and talents, disregard for other’s feelings, belittling other people to make one’s self appear superior, taking advantage of others to get what one wants, inability to handle criticism, a sense of entitlement, and a lack of empathy for others.”……Remind you of anybody?

    1. Dr. Lance Dodes On Trump:
      “He can only do what he does.
      And he is limited by the limited capacity of a person with early emotional development.
      He doesn’t have much complexity to him. Truth means nothing to him and other people mean nothing to him.
      Once you get that concept that nothing matters, no conscience, no morality, than everything else falls into place.”

    2. I have, unfortunately, experienced narcissism. I can smell one a mile away.
      Donald J Trump is a malignant narcissist and sociopath and pathological liar.
      He will stop at nothing to do whatever it takes to stay in power, because it is about him, and him only. A narcissist can be extremely cunning. To some, it may even seem charming. His followers are much like the group of deplorable punks who gather around the school yard bully. And, of course, they are much like the Germans who followed Hitler in the 1930s. Arguing or debating with them is useless.
      Had I been old enough then, I would have fought the Nazis. Now I am too old to fight and be part of the resistance. During the 1940s, the resistance needed to do some drastic and daring things to sabotage the fascists.
      Now, they try to make the anti fascist people look like the bad guys.
      Shock and awe is ok when starting a war that was totally wrong.
      Setting a car on fire, breaking a few windows is suddenly the most horrible thing imaginable. Looting the country is okay when it’s done by those running it.
      It’s a little twisted, isn’t it?
      You push fascism, and I will fight it with whatever means available to me, plain and simple.

  5. I’m gonna be voting early again this year with clean hands and a good mask.
    I will start feeling safer when Biden is President.

    1. @Mark bodman — So you agree that 160,000 deaths is WORSE than 1, right? Then who are you calling ‘dumb,’ dumbo?

    2. @Jon Dunmore I think it’s ironic that the progressive leftist mucks who celebrate the murder of 60 million babies then uses the deaths of 160k to try and make someone, anyone look the fool.
      It’s all politicized bs nothing more. Go stand in line for neocon Gates/Fauci newest cure for global expansion.

    3. @Mark bodman yea Mark is right. The main commenter may be dumb. One cant reasonably compare Covid and Ebola in such a manner. Ebola does not spread nearly as easily . Im still voting for Biden but yea, a dumb comment by Samuel M.

  6. It’s simple: don’t respond at all to the trolls and bots. We’re not going to move them anyway with even something sensible. Carry on, brothers and sisters. VOTE

    1. Troll tips: Look at the grammar & spelling they use. Is it… off? More than the usual mistakes.

      Look up when they created their account. Was it within the last 4 years, & they only comment on political videos? Trolls are obvious when you know the signs. Report them & move on. They get paid by the reply.

    2. @Ambria Ashley Why does it make sense to “report” a troll? Why don’t you just defeat the “troll” by defeating his ideas and winning?

  7. We have a president who went bankrupt six times and relied on illegal and unethical scams to make money. I believe this answers the question.

    1. Zorak0515 Which of the 20000 lies from Trump you like the best? I think I like the ones about him being rich. It turned out he stole money from charities and from students. Now he’s stealing from his own campaign, the Republican (aka Russian) party and the federal government. Of course, I will be even happier when he meets the same fate as the Rosenbergs 70 years ago.

    2. FPScanada unlike Donald Scump, I am not a pathological liar. I don’t lie every time I open my mouth like Scump 😀

    3. Trouble is that there are a multitude of other illegal, unethical criminal acts to deal with. It’s gonna take years of court hearings and investigation into the Trump family and its close friends in the GOP.

  8. The richest country that cannot contain this virus, but our President takes “no responsibility.”

    1. Who do people say USA is the richest country is it really that hard to understand the brief distinction between wealth and economy they’re indeed the biggest economy but nowhere near being the richest country .

    2. In order to stop the virus there would be “NO” travel at all for at least three months….and then when the travel opened up again the virus will come in again…the world is in a mess…China will continue to release these viruses on the world….

    1. This is a very shortened explanation of the science and facts of the situation: The death rate is dropping and the infectious rate is climbing, as always happens with every single flu/corona type pandemic. This is causes by two fundamental biological factors, first, antigenic shift (mutation) which always weakens a viruses virulence and invariably strengthen the infectiousness level. Second by natural antibody T-Cell immunization (herd immunity) which attacks, then deciphers and transcribes the viral RNA and memorizes and stores the genetic information within our own bone marrow for future recall. When under attack again from the same pathogen our immune systems understand exactly how to combat that particular microbial invader and will snuff it usually before we even know. The longer this drags on without allowing herd immunity to run its natural course through the healthy population the more the deaths numbers will accumulate among the vulnerable poor health population (simply by the length of time they’re forced in isolation and Not from the virus itself.) This is how it’s been happening for as long as viruses and humans have co-existed together and is well understood empirical science in the immunological/ epidemiological world for almost a century, at least until now when the politics , the media, and the science has sadly become indistinguishably the same thing and the internet is fueling the irrational mass hysteria.

    1. This is a very shortened explanation of the science and facts of the situation: The death rate is dropping and the infectious rate is climbing, as always happens with every single flu/corona type pandemic. This is causes by two fundamental biological factors, first, antigenic shift (mutation) which always weakens a viruses virulence and invariably strengthen the infectiousness level. Second by natural antibody T-Cell immunization (herd immunity) which attacks, then deciphers and transcribes the viral RNA and memorizes and stores the genetic information within our own bone marrow for future recall. When under attack again from the same pathogen our immune systems understand exactly how to combat that particular microbial invader and will snuff it usually before we even know. The longer this drags on without allowing herd immunity to run its natural course through the healthy population the more the deaths numbers will accumulate among the vulnerable poor health population (simply by the length of time they’re forced in isolation and Not from the virus itself.) This is how it’s been happening for as long as viruses and humans have co-existed together and is well understood empirical science in the immunological/ epidemiological world for almost a century, at least until now when the politics , the media, and the science has sadly become indistinguishably the same thing and the internet is fueling the irrational mass hysteria.

    2. @dean mushtuk That sounds reasonable, but I have a question. I read about the 1918 pandemic and discovered the second wave of it was much more deadly than the first one. Is it possible for that to happen according to what you say?

    3. @Dale Blake The 1918 pandemic was during an extremely globally crippled time, extremely weakened, malnourished, immunocomromised populations caused by war, deplorable living conditions, incredibly poor sanitation and a health system that understood nothing about viruses, in fact nobody even knew that viruses existed in 1918 and they thought it was bacterial. It was the perfect storm of chronic conditions that allowed the worst pandemic in modern history to occur. I believe that particular virus in our modern times would have been nothing more than a real bad flu season. All corona/flu viruses are fundamentally the same single stranded viral RNA organism. What can make these viruses so lethal to some and so “nothing” to others, is how strong or weak our immunity is.

    4. Maybe it’s like karma and America is finally getting a taste of wht they been doing to foreign nations for the last 50 years in latin America, Asia and Africa who didn’t want to submit to Western rule/ white supremacy dominion?. In some sense.

    5. The worse covid 19 effected nations on the planet are all ruled by populist racist oligarch leaders China, the US, Russia, India, Brazil. A coincidince maybe in some sense ?

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