‘It’s Just A Total Mess.’: HHS Botches Takeover Of Covid-19 Data | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

'It's Just A Total Mess.': HHS Botches Takeover Of Covid-19 Data | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC 1


Laurie Garrett, health policy analyst, talks with Rachel Maddow about how the HHS takeover of the CDC's Covid-19 data was so poorly handled that health officials are now without a crucial tool for understanding trends in the spread of the virus and the needs of hospitals and medical workers. Aired on 12/1/2020.
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'It's Just A Total Mess.': HHS Botches Takeover Of Covid-19 Data | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

63 Comments on "‘It’s Just A Total Mess.’: HHS Botches Takeover Of Covid-19 Data | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC"

  1. Nothing in this administration reflects reality. Not just the hhs.

  2. So was t’rump’s adult diaper when he realized that his immunity would be up in 2 months. 😲😬😩💩🥴

  3. Yeah well, is anyone really surprised ?

  4. Farmed out to private companies of course… so they can make more money and they do a terrible job of course

  5. January can’t come around fast enough. Stay safe everyone.

    • @Ken Butler I don’t deny people have died. I’m just saying the numbers are skewed. There are many false positives and people who have recovered from the virus.

      We do not need to shut down society over this virus. Humanity has survived much bigger diseases. Leprosy, the bubonic plague, ebola, h1n1, bird flu, hiv.

      The rules and regulations enforced by people like Fauci are completely hypocritical.

      You can’t go to places of worship because you might spread the disease, but squeezing people together in a crowded airplane is just fine.

      You can go out in the streets in mass numbers to celebrate the election results, but you can’t operate your business to support your family and put food on the table.

      You can riot in the streets for racial equality, but you can’t send your children to school.

      You can go out to a crowded shopping mall or department store but cannot invite a few friends over for Christmas and Thanksgiving.

      First Fauci says to wear masks, then says masks don’t work, NOW he’s telling us to wear masks again.

      ‘Trust the science’ they tell us but when other medical doctors like Dan Erickson, Roger Hodkins, and Judy Mitkovitz refute the lockdowns and seriousness of the virus, they are silenced, censored, and deplatformed.

      In my opinion, this virus is no more deadly than the flu. Sure some people have died, but it’s not enough to justify shutting down society and locking people in their homes. People die from the flu every year and we don’t lose our minds over that. The people most at risk are elderly and small children. Focus on keeping them safe. The rest of us will be fine.

    • @OnWingsOfHope I would be stunningly humbled and so humbly honored! Please stay safe! And oh… SANITIZE! You may rest assured, that each moment, my thoughts are with each and every one of the millions who are suffering. Yes, I’m a wonderfully kind human being who can’t fathom the cruelty and callousness of orange man bad. He has single-handedly murdered trillions upon hundreds of trillions of innocents, mostly children, of course!

    • @Chris McRae oh the numbers are skewed? Ok all numbers are skewed? cancer, car wrecks, influenza flu, rattlesnake bites, miles around the Earth, Trump’s estimate of his own wealth, I can go on yep my age I’m way younger than what people think lol what’s your bases that the COV 19 numbers are skewed I realize Trump and Rudy said every number that doesn’t favor Trump is skewed. I got now thanks 🤠

    • Just wish someone would wrap Joe safely in cotton wool, dont bring him out till a virtual inaugeration .💙💙💙💙

    • Russell Sullivan | December 1, 2020 at 8:08 PM | Reply

      @Chris McRae Hey, glad to see you went through the trouble of typing that all up clearly and with great detail. I used to do the same, but to no avail. Too many people lack the ability to think critically or deviate from any prescribed narrative shoved down their throats. So I sincerely thank you for staying on the side of truth, no matter how difficult it is to get through to people. Keep it up!

  6. Birx has a credibility issue and has had for months now.

    • When our new administration takes charge, we must contact our representatives (regularly) and demand JUSTICE for the dead. Who will speak for our dead, if not us? They deserve JUSTICE. Not, “revenge.” But there will be no cooperation, working across the isle or the reconciliation Biden is seeking, if we don’t get some JUSTICE! And that’s on us. We must speak up for the fallen, or who else will? ✌️👍

    • The moment she kept quiet when Trump was talking about injecting disinfectant was the moment she lost all credibility. If she was too stunned to talk up at that point, she should have made a public statement within a couple of hours. If she didn’t have the courage and sense of duty to do that then she should have resigned.

    • I agree Henry. If she had any she would’ve definitely distanced herself from the mess a long time ago, especially following the bleach injection remarks. I don’t trust her.

    • @N L Wilson She had the look of stun in that moment, to be sure. You’re right about the rest of it, too. I’m sorry to say that, because I think that in all of her career, it never occurred to her that she’d encounter a person in a high level position who would be that academically inept, someone who would be dangerous to her should she have to contradict him, let alone publically. Nevertheless, if ever there was a time for her to rise to the occasion, that was it.

    • Negligence. Not acting according to the gold standards. She and others need to be prosecuted.

  7. To Trump, taking useful data that reflects badly on Trump, and turning it into useless data, is a feature, not a bug…

    • We must not kid ourselves that we haven’t fought in a war here. The battlefield is strewn with hundreds of thousands of corpses, most of whom would be alive right now, had one man’s sociopathic ego, and his emulation of Putin, not cost us more lives than all our wars put together. There may well be an armistice, beginning on Jan 20th, but people will continue to die in vast numbers, because their doom has been written in the wind (quite literally) due to the growth of a deceived cult of worshippers. Biden seeks to work across the isle, and seek reconciliation, which is all well and good. But, that cannot work if the GOP are emboldened by facing zero consequences for this MANSLAUGHTER of our most vulnerable people? No revenge, sure. But JUSTICE and a RECKONING are needed, simply because justice matters. The families, hit financially as well as emotionally, get trolled every day by a president and his cult wizards, who remain in denial of their suffering. So, who will speak up for them, if not us? Isn’t THAT our civic duty? I hope everyone contacts their representatives after Jan 20th, to DEMAND JUSTICE! And to ask them to REPRESENT! Ask them, “WHO WILL SPEAK FOR THE DEAD?”✌️👍

    • Virginia Tyree | December 1, 2020 at 10:10 AM | Reply

      12 1 20 Hey@Ash Roskell , Agreed, WE can give a voice to the souls gone too soon @ the hands of a criminally negligent narcissistic #PathologicalLiar. Great suggestion. Stay safe, keep calm, & be well. v

    • ……And still it reflects badly on Trump.

  8. The Trump administration had many reasons to take cdc out of the equation. By doing that, the trumpers could manipulate the data to make themselves not look like incompetent screw ups who are responsible for the deaths of quarter of a million Americans.

    • It’s a lot worse than that.

      History will not be kind.

    • @Fenir8 They knew that by doing this – confusing how the data was collected – that many more people would die. This was done to pursue their own agenda. Pick the crime – there is a choice!

  9. Richie Tattersall | December 1, 2020 at 2:04 AM | Reply

    “It is what it is” = 2nd Degree murder every single time.

    • A phrase of deep thinkers the world over.

    • He is Hitler reborn and has taken every single page out of his playbook!
      He is guilty of the “Negligent Murder” of over 258,000+ Innocent American lives as well as guilty of “Criminal Endangerment” for failing to protect us all from the Global Pandemic!!! 😷
      Has his own secret unmarked military that he has used to attack peaceful protesters(just so he can hold a BIBLE upside down in front of a church, and in Blue State’s all across America (formerly known as The United State’s of America before the 45th President!)
      Divide and conquer with his Us vs. Them rhetoric!
      And every single individual of his administration all of the Republicans that have endorsed him remain silent in every single citizen of adult age they still support him after watching him commit this genocide are guilty of aiding & abetting him in both of those charges!!!

  10. Technological Darkage | December 1, 2020 at 2:04 AM | Reply

    Slow down the testing! Deaths can be deleted just like data.

  11. So calling it a Democrat hoax and playing golf didn’t turn the trick?……How odd…

  12. Easprelionamen Jusprelioben | December 1, 2020 at 2:17 AM | Reply

    Nothing in this administration reflects reality. Not just the hhs.

    • When our new administration takes charge, we must demand JUSTICE for the dead. Who will speak for our dead, if not us? They deserve JUSTICE. Not, “revenge.” But there will be no cooperation, working across the isle or the reconciliation Biden is seeking, if we don’t get some JUSTICE! And that’s on us. We must speak up for the fallen, or who else will? ✌️👍

    • @Ash Roskell we will see

  13. He wants to control the data so that it doesn’t appear that things are worse than they are. Welcome back hope everything’s okay with you and the love of your life.😷👍

  14. This is not an isolated occurrence. Today the DOD announced their 12th COVID death in the US military. At the same time Worldometer reports that the US military has had 129 COVID deaths.

    • I checked both sources, and that is the case, but I have a possible explanation based on two commonalities. The number of US military deaths listed by the Worldometer is 129. The DOD source lists the cumulative total of military, civilian, dependent, and contractor Covid deaths as 129; with the military-specific figure as 12, the number you found. It’s possible that Worldometer used the cumulative total but, albeit unintentionally, failed to include the breakdown.

      Quick edit:
      Worldometer: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
      DOD: https://www.defense.gov/explore/spotlight/coronavirus/

    • @Betty Clark Thanks for that. Nice to see a rational explanation and links, instead of the crazy insults, strangely capitalized words and politicization that I’ve become accustomed to recently.

  15. Surprised? Anyone? Keep your expectations subterranean for anything coming from this misadministration.

  16. Check out the Vanity Fair article about Jared Kushner`s management of the Covid task force. Criminals, all of them!

  17. #TheTrumpPlague how many more innocent American’s must die due to Trump incompetence.

  18. Nicholas Buckner | December 1, 2020 at 2:54 AM | Reply

    If I didn’t know any better, I’d say someone is trying to destroy evidence…

    • I don’t know… wasn’t it roundabout that time when that chaos started, that Trump was telling people to make less tests so his administration stops to look that incompetent in handling the crisis? Could be just as dumb as that, couldn’t it? Just avoiding to see reality when it doesn’t suit you by re-routing the data right into bureaucratic nirvana.

  19. “I think if this country gets any kinder or gentler, it’s literally going to cease to exist.”
    ― The Donald @ Playboy, March 1990

  20. And this is a surprise 🤷🏼‍♀️. The whole world knew this was politically motivated.

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