Jon Meacham: Isn’t It Worth A Couple Of Days To Learn Who’s President? | MSNBC

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MSNBC contributor and Pulitzer Prize-winning presidential biographer Jon Meacham looks back to other presidential elections where results weren't immediately known. Aired on 11/03/2020.
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83 Comments on "Jon Meacham: Isn’t It Worth A Couple Of Days To Learn Who’s President? | MSNBC"

  1. Mister Sarajevo | November 4, 2020 at 3:09 AM | Reply

    Biden just won Maine.

    • Trump has already won GA, NC, WI and MI. Anyone with a brain can realise that trump has at least 273 electoral votes. The media wants to delay announcing it for as long as possible.

    • Mister Sarajevo | November 4, 2020 at 4:14 AM | Reply

      @AKH 2903 Nice try

    • @Mister Sarajevo Just search it on google, do you think it is possible for Biden to overcome a deficit of 4 point in WI, 8 points in PA, 8 points in MI, 3 points in Georgia and 3 points in NC ?
      93% of votes are counted in WI, 76% in MI, 65% in PA, 98% in GA and NC. This puts him at 270 ( not counting PA because it is still to early) and Alaska will push him to 273. Trump has won get over it.

    • @AKH 2903 something like 100M votes were cast early including postal ballot, which have been delayed. I don’t think 99% of ‘the ballot’ means what you think it means.

    • @Santy Clausehttps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/forecast-uncounted-votes-president.html
      They are counting the mail in ballots too. All trump needs to do is hang on to GA and NC and win MI and WI where he has a very good chance putting him at 270. Alaska will push him to 273. Things are not looking good for biden.

  2. Adolf-Nero- Trump | November 4, 2020 at 3:09 AM | Reply

    Yeah it is worth waiting, because all the votes haven’t been counted yet..🗽

    • michael boultinghouse | November 4, 2020 at 3:31 AM | Reply

      and some might miraculously “show up?” LOLOL

    • Adolf-Nero- Trump | November 4, 2020 at 3:40 AM | Reply

      @michael boultinghouse I doubt that. After all whose side is constantly doing things that considered wrong? Vote suppression, intimidation, GOP trying to. Stop the counting of votes, trying to run the Biden bus off the road, taking apart vote counting machines in majority Democrats states, telling people the virus is gonna magically go away. I could go on.

    • @michael boultinghouse Yes, such as all the LEGAL votes still sitting in de Joy’s sorting house

  3. Lord Jesus Christ Son of God have mercy on us☦️

  4. if Trump voters liked what he represented in his 2016 campaign then none of the lies or incompetence during his subsequent 4 year tenure would change their minds.
    It is a cult. It is a religion. No rational conversation will change their minds. Ever. The brains are washed. Mission complete.

    • @Kevin Red nuts….study economics…because you don’t know diddly

    • @Philip Erdman President Elect Biden already has the most votes ever ,beating President Obama”s record..And they are still counting..

    • @john fyten are you really that stupid….I’m a lifelong Democrat and retired corporate President…I’ve generated tens of millions in revenue here in beautiful blue America..Stop spreading lies.Go home and pray.

    • @Philip Erdman President elect Joe Biden received the most votes ever ,breaking President Obama’s 2008 record !

    • michael boultinghouse | November 5, 2020 at 3:36 PM | Reply

      @John Allison you freaks will be talking about Trump for years as an urban guerrilla war kills your kids. you are deranged

  5. It makes absolutely no sense that Trump has received more votes now than in 2016. There aren’t any new MAGAs. Something is fishy

  6. There are a lot of votes to be counted in Democratic strongholds in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan.
    Georgia can still flip seeing where the votes are left.
    We can still win this.

  7. “A house divided against itself, cannot stand.” Lincoln

    • @The Horizon Initiative,
      – What you’re characterizing as the switching of the two major U.S. parties is too contrary to basic human nature’s political ideology to have happened in a large way.
      – I believe we are all born to some degree Liberal or Conservative and for most of us that’s not something you can change later. And people join political organizations because they want to associate with like thinkers. so I could see a few less ideological politicians changing parties one way or the other for say single issue reasons or financing advantages and that does occur occasionally all of the time, but not in a big way.
      – Generally speaking Liberals make political decisions based on more emotion and subjectivity while Conservatives on more logic and objectivity. The only other trait or difference I’ve noticed that always holds true is that Liberals prefer to have control to dictate and therefore they prefer government, the bigger the better, while Conservatives are just the opposite, preferring private affairs over government, the smaller the better.
      – I believe that the new Republican Party members and President Lincoln were mostly Conservatives and they logically believed that it was time for the US to live up to its essence of freedom, and the Party stayed predominantly Conservative ever since.
      – I also believe that the founding of the USA was more Conservative than not, because of their dislike for the large tyrannical British government and their eventual decision to subtly tip the balance of power in favor of the people.
      – A lot of historians say that Fascism is ‘Far Right’. And the problem with that is, not only were hitler and mussolini not around long enough to make enough change to accurately define it, if you look at hitler, the man, he’s obviously a very Liberal person! Since when does a Conservative get convicted of starting a political riot? It doesn’t happen! Even the founders of the USA Conservatively, objectively and Peacefully only declared their independence, and it was King George III who got emotional about it!

    • The Horizon Initiative | November 4, 2020 at 4:09 PM | Reply

      @Rand Kocher Man, you can believe whatever it is you want. Most people do anyway, regardless of what rock-solid evidence there is on matters. Like…most of the stuff you say you believe. If that’s stuff that is integral to you just being who you are, I will not go into a debate about it because that would be like debating the existence of God: something that cannot be resolved due to its very nature as a matter of faith not evidence.

      I will say that your conceptualization of what makes a liberal a ‘liberal’ and a conservative a ‘conservative’ is..well, I wouldn’t say “not too far off”, because it kind of is..but it’s at least been psychoanalyzed. Conservatives, or those who lean Right, tend to be more concerned with issues that deal with personal or familial safety; economic safety to life or death safety. They tend to focus more on domestic affairs, and are much more reliant on their “guts” for direction on making tough decisions. Liberals, or those who lean Left, tend to be more empathetic, but more focused on scientific evidence for making tough decisions. Their focus is more global, rather than domestic, and they don’t worry about the more personal matters as much as the larger ones that affect more of humanity than just one’s personal family. At least that’s the general gist of the study, anyway. Again, you can believe what you want, but other people have at least analyzed this point to actual psychology.

      As for the myth of Hitler being more liberal than conservative…just no. That’s a myth that’s been propagated by more hard-leaning Conservative circles for decades as a reason to say liberals will bring horrible ideological problems with whatever it is they do. It’s the exact same myth in the vein of the Soviet Union and Communist China. Fascism isn’t political, it’s an ideology that can come out from literally any aspect of the political spectrum. However, the traits that fascism displays by definition are very, _very_ close to what the Right across the world believe. There’s a reason there have been multiple studies of the rise of fascism and the hard Right across the globe over the last 4-8 years.

      Believe what you want, but don’t shove those circular beliefs into square pegs for other people. That’s where things start going badly for everyone. It’s important to have your personal set of beliefs as it makes you, you. But it’s also just as important to realize that just because you believe something, doesn’t necessarily make it true.

    • @michael boultinghouse Everyone knows that. It was 150 years ago. Now only Trump supporters fly Confederate flags; the KKK and white supremacists support Trump. So what is your point?

    • @Hanny Hawkins,
      So what is your point?
      – 150 years ago? The last known (to me) democrat kkk member in federal government died 10 years ago! And there’s possibly more kkk democrats who hide it better!
      – The important part of it all is how much political clout the individual, group or organization has! And if the kkk member is a democrat Senator he or she has a lot of clout!
      – On the other hand, If there’s a group of 20 beer drinking, goofball, dropouts who believe in white supremacy and support President Trump, they have no political clout, and it has NOTHING to do with the President!

    • @Rand Kocher How many confederate flags fly at Democratic Party rallies? They’re strictly a Trump-supporting phenomenon. The KKK endorsed Trump, not Clinton. That’s modern politics.

  8. The fact that the Senate could remain Republican is a terrifying prospect.

    • They have blocked so much…scary

    • @michael boultinghouse a man who gloried in the idea of making the other side – half the country, effectively – cry, as president of the entire country? Sure, that will be a uniting factor. Not.

    • Perfect Inbred Specimen | November 4, 2020 at 3:51 AM | Reply

      republicans are the party of jesus christ MAGA

    • Trump has won and the senate will remain Republican. Biden is too far behind to close the gap which is the only reason the decision has been stalled. 75% of the estimated vote in Pennsylvania with a 600k lead. No way the vote can swing that hard for Biden.

    • @Max Johnson Which hurts when people say, “but nothing ever changes.” Over 400 house bills are sitting in the grim reaper’s In tray. And a lot of those bills would benefit trumpers too, but they would cut their noses off to spite their faces.

  9. And in 4 years Donald Trump has destroyed the integrity of the US electoral system, why would anyone want to give him a second chance 🤔

  10. There’s literally millions votes left to be counted.

    • michael boultinghouse | November 4, 2020 at 3:42 AM | Reply

      @Richard Christie and what is it?

    • Richard Christie | November 4, 2020 at 4:14 AM | Reply

      @michael boultinghouse A nation divided, where ignorance and stupidity is not only encouraged and applauded but also presented with the reins of power.
      Your various comments in these threads are good examples of the result of celebrating idiocy.

    • _”there are a few thousand only”_
      I think most Amurricans would say “there are only a few thousand.”

    • @Greg Steele He can’t count either – there are more than thousands, including all those which have been found in the sorting centre.

    • Millions? How do you know?

  11. The Greater Bilby | November 4, 2020 at 3:26 AM | Reply

    All votes should be counted. The USPS shouldn’t have been hobbled … that was unhinged and unethical behavior – especially during a time of Pandemic. And when will the USPS be restored to its former level of service.

    • @Schuyler Ebbets I suppose you’d call them the Dogandcats… funny, but what’s not is what Trump might do with another term, good luck America.

    • Restored? Never.

    • Why wasn’t the USPS back to normal months ago? Its not like they lost the technology to fix or replace the sorting machines.

    • highly unethical, unprofessional AND felonious. Any ordinary businessman perpetrating to intentionally paralyze the USPS or any postal service in a civilized country would have been slammed in jail

    • @Lok Katt The postmaster General, in the form of large Trump donor Louis DeJoy, at the request of Trump began removing high speed sorters, sent mail trucks out “on time” but half empty with mail left on the floor and eliminated over time.This crippled the efficiency of the USPS, which was the intent of Trump’s stooge. The courts intervened to try and correct what has been an unconstitutional order by DeJoy, but the post office has not returned to it’s full strength. They missed a deadline issued by a Federal Judge to sweep the floors to find any and all votes. I am unsure of what happens next. We will have to wait for Judge Sullivan’s response.

  12. So you are in middle school and there is a vote for class president. The buses from the pink part of town arrive first. They are the early voters and they drop the votes into the convenient box by the door. They mostly vote for the pinkish person. Then the people that walk to school arrive and they are from the greenish part of town. They are almost late so they vote in their classrooms and their votes are counted right away. The votes in the box take longer because they have to be taken down to the principal’s office and sorted into whose classroom each vote belongs. An update is announced and naturally it shows the greenish person is ahead. So Greenie, who is still class president from last year, and is therefore allowed to make a big announcement, says, “I’m obviously winning. Let’s stop. It would be really suspicious and treacherous to continue. You know how sneaky those pinkish people are, and you know there are weirdos in the principal’s office. I declare that I won! Plus, my mommy, my uncle, and my cousin are on the school board and they will back me up!”

  13. Who knew trump would pull this bs..it’s not like he has foreshadowed

  14. Jonathan Smith | November 4, 2020 at 4:12 AM | Reply

    Unfortunately, the Republicans appeal to so many voters was that they were proud of their country and were patriots, while the Democrats preached, and rightfully so, that things were drastically wrong with the country and needed to be repaired, and perhaps make the country great for the first time in its racist and sometimes sordid history. And many people did not want to hear that, but rather just wave their flags and shout, “USA! USA! USA!” Like that is going to help anything? It’s like trying to wish away COVID. Just doesn’t work.

  15. It makes me SICK, that people would vote for this fraud of a president; I hope this week ends with a smile on my face, hoping Joe Biden will be our president….

    • Mike, despite his lies, despite his racism, despite his public paranoia, despite his total abandoned responsibility in safe guarding America from the coronavirus. Trump got 5,000,000 extra votes in this election.
      You guys are doomed.

  16. It is embarrassing in front of my own kids, Americans voting for that joke of president.

  17. Well now the world knows, Trump was not an aberration in time never to be repeated. The true colours and darkness of the USA are there for all to see. Corruption, Bigotry, Nepotism and Racism are the very fabric of USA politics and the vast majority of people are content to make it the norm, even if it is to the detriment of their very health or survival!!….. God help you America!!

    • Perhaps you haven’t lived many decades, or haven’t read much US history – because that’s a tale that “has rust on it.”
      Best Wishes from Hogtown, Florida.

  18. Deomnibus Dubitandum | November 4, 2020 at 5:05 AM | Reply

    “Givе mе tеn yеars, аnd you will not rеcоgnizе Gеrmany аnymоrе!”
    ― Adolf Schicklgruber @ last еlection slogan, 1933

  19. Nicholas Strong | November 4, 2020 at 5:18 AM | Reply

    Or we finally get to acknowledge just how truly racist and sick our democracy is.

    • The Democrats are not smart. It’s a miracle Trump is losing. The GOP have foreign interference, voter suppression, conspiracy theories, and better political ads and messaging. The democrats are simply over matched. If not for a global pandemic, it’s possible the WH, Senate, and House go Republican.

    • Nicholas Strong | November 5, 2020 at 4:39 AM | Reply

      @Opera Singer even whores have standards. Not everyone is willing to do anything for power or money.

    • @Nicholas Strong thx Sir. Let freedom ring again.Big love from Germany 🇩🇪.

    • Madelaine Seguin | November 5, 2020 at 6:18 PM | Reply

      And I have finally come to this conclusion, racism was just under the surface and then t-rump blew it wide open.🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

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