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Rep. Eric Swalwell and Rep. Pramila Jayapal talk with Rachel Maddow about how the Mueller report is likely to influence the consideration of articles of impeachment, at least informing the context of Donald Trump's past behavior, if not contributing to separate articles. Aired on 12/04/19.
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  1. The Founders placed articles of impeachment in the Constitution for the purpose of protecting our democracy and our liberties from would-be dictators. They must have been clairvoyant, because they clearly envisioned  someone like Trump in America’s future. Someone who has no respect for democracy or America’s Constitution, and who is clearly trying to tear them both apart.

    1. David M Abuse of power (asking a foreign government to investigate a political rival), obstruction of justice, witness tampering, and alot more lol

    2. As incomplete [b/c Mueller failed to follow the MONEY which is what links Russian Oligarchy to DJT, specifically the unlawful money laundering] as the MUELLER INVESTIGATION was, it showed us these things:
      [1] MUELLER INVESTIGATION ACTUALLY MADE MONEY for the USA – NO COST TO TAXPAYERS: The Investigation more than paid for itself via fines, restitution & asset forfeiture.
      https://thinkprogress.org/at-a-reported-cost-of-25-million-mueller-probe-has-paid-for-itself-76fdcee15c9b/
      [2] USA ELECTION WAS ATTACKED by Cambridge Analytica (“CA”) & Russia [Internet Research Agency (“IRA”)]: The investigation showed the USA was attacked by Cambridge Analytica (“CA”) and Russia & Russian Organized Crime (Oligarchy) via the St. Petersburg, Russia based IRA. Even if you have not read the entire Redacted Mueller Report, just read paragraph #2 of the Introduction. The Investigation clearly concludes Russia attacked the 2016 USA Election. Here is the url to the Redacted Mueller Report. 
      https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5955379-Redacted-Mueller-Report.html
      https://www.tremr.com/161kilnfarm/the-story-of-how-cambridge-analytica-helped-trump-steal-the-2016-election
      Links explaining Russian Election Theft
      https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/18/mueller-report-russian-election-plot-1365568
      https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump
      https://www.wired.com/story/did-russia-affect-the-2016-election-its-now-undeniable/
      https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/russia-trump-and-2016-us-election
      https://time.com/5565991/russia-influence-2016-election/
      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/08/03/russian-us-election-interference-donald-trump/878910002/
      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/information-warfare-how-russians-interfered-2016-election-n848746
      https://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-has-won-mueller-report-details-the-ways-russia-interfered-in-the-2016-election-11555666201
      https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/09/20/us/politics/russia-interference-election-trump-clinton.html
      https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/09/20/us/politics/russia-trump-election-timeline.html
      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-this-author-says-its-highly-probable-russian-interference-swung-the-2016-election
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/19/actually-mueller-report-showed-that-russia-did-affect-vote/
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-sad-truth-about-russian-election-interference-is-that-we-knew-about-it-before-election-day/2018/12/09/0d13d30c-fb06-11e8-8d64-4e79db33382f_story.html
      https://www.hsdl.org/?abstract&did=824221
      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/22/mueller-report-what-know-russian-election-interference/
      [A] Cambridge Analytica:
      CA & the UK-BREXIT ATTACK: And, it wasn’t just the USA that CA went after… CA manipulated the UK BREXIT vote!
      https://youtu.be/cy-9iciNF1A
      So, now you are wondering, who is CA? Billionaire Robert Mercer (the $$$ behind the Kleptocrat-in-Chief) and Steve Bannon (yup, one and the same!)were the founder/brain of CA!
      [B] EDUCATE YOURSELF
      Be an educated citizen/voter. Don’t be swayed by simple tropes being spread by uneducated followers, non-thinkers and haters. Learn the facts about TRE45ON.
      The LYING-LIAR-IN-CHIEF is a CRIMINAL: Not just in your head, but in your heart, you know TRE45ON isn’t JUST a VERY bad businessman (the king of bankruptcy), you actually know he is a criminal con-artist. Laundering Russian Oligarchy money is his bread & butter – his kids have explained that Russia funds their ventures!
      [C] PSYCHOMETRIC WARFARE & HATE-FEAR: It is easy to be swayed by hate/fear (Nazi Germany). It takes true character, guts, determination and smarts to become educated.
      If you are still reading… 
      [D] FOREIGN AFFAIRS: IRAQ: Did you forget that George Bush lied us into the Iraq War? How many lives were lost and/or ruined by the Iraq War? And how many billions of our tax dollars were wasted?
      [E] TAX POLICY: AND, WHAT ABOUT TAX POLICY: The Repugnant Republican’ts [DJT, Bush & Reagan] tax cuts benefit the rich, not the middle class and poor. The USA debt and deficit skyrocketed with all of the Republican presidents since 1980…
      [F] DEBT: And, The SOCIOPATH-IN-CHIEF, is running up the debt faster than any previous Administration! Republicans are NOT the party of fiscal responsibility! REPUGNANTS are the Party of the 1%.
      [G] PARTY SYSTEM HIJACKED BY EXTREMIST: I am no fan of either party, but the Dems have, in the past, proven themselves to be the better party when it comes to fiscal responsibility. With all sarcasm that can be expressed, how are you enjoying the better health care system that was promised by TRE45ON?
      [H] PROMISES NOT KEPT: What a crock to claim the CHEATER-IN-CHIEF keeps his campaign promises: Here are a couple of links, one to read and one to watch:
      https://www.vox.com/2018/10/18/17990626/trump-promises-made-promises-broken
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZD_xyAjC-E
      [I] MORE REPUGNANT FOREIGN POLICY CRIMES & TRE45ON: Regarding treason, Nixon did the worst Presidential treason in 1968 (links to news articles about the treason involving the war in Vietnam):
      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/nixon-tried-to-spoil-johnsons-vietnam-peace-talks-in-68-notes-show.html
      https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/notes-indicate-nixon-interfered-1968-peace-talks-180961627/
      As a private citizen, Nixon treasonously (VIOLATED THE LOGAN ACT – it is illegal for a private citizen to conduct USA diplomacy-foreign policy) conducted USA diplomacy-foreign policy. His political organization contacted S. Vietnam government officials and Nixon persuaded S. Vietnam NOT to sign a peace treaty during Johnson’s Presidency. The treason wasn’t just doing diplomacy-foreign policy as a private citizen, this contact prolonged the War – which resulted in more death and maiming. Nixon falsely claimed S. Vietnam would get a better peace deal with Nixon as President. So, no peace treaty during Johnson’s term which made the Democrats look bad because they could not end the war. Thus, Nixon was first elected President in 1968 as a TRE450NOUS TRAITOR. How many more people lost their lives and how many more were disabled by the failure to end the war during Johnson’s Term?
      [J] WATERGATE: Then, do you remember the 1972 Election & Watergate? Do you think you actually know what Watergate was about? Watergate was ALL ABOUT Nixon doing crimes – Treason again – to stay in power and win in 1972. The Convicted DNC HQ Watergate Burglars were REPLACING listening devices which means they previously broke into the DNC HQ, when they initially installed the listening-recording devices! Nixon feared Edmund Muskie as the potential Democrat Presidential Candidate. Nixon wanted to face McGovern, not Muskie. The fear was so great that Nixon had his criminal dirty tricksters sabotage Muskie’s Democraric primary campaign through numerous criminal acts – ALL involving lies and deception. One of the bigger crimes that ended Muskie’s Campaign was the Canuck Letter. Remember the Canuck Letter? Nixon Aide, Ken Clawson. (he has admitted to writing the Canuck Letter!) authored the Canuck letter which was designed to paint Muskie as a racist!
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/watergate/articles/101072-1.htm
      [K] MORE OF THE SAME: The Kleptocon-artist-in-chief, along with Russian Organized Crime (Oligarchs) just followed the Nixon Playbook on how to criminally steal a USA Presidential Election. Just to tease your curiosity, do some investigation into Roger Stone’s connections to both Nixon & Trea45on. You might be stunned if you have not been connecting the data points.
      [L] EASY USUALLY MEANS FAKE: If something sounds like an easy answer to a complex problem, you can probably presume the truth is not so easy to discern. REAL PATRIOTS NOT FAKETRIOTS: Be a patriot to the USA. Do your homework! And remember, it was George Washington who warned us about Party Politics in his Farewell Address – Party(s) can be hijacked by extremists!
      [M] PEACE IN OUR TIME: Much of the real enemies of democracy are hate, war, military-industrial complex (Eisenhower warned us about the M/I Complex, right?), ignorance, looking for easy answers, not accepting the fact that corporations have no regard for the little guy – by law, corporations must first answer to their shareholders!
      [N] ELECTORAL COLLEGE: Remember how CNN screwed us all in 2016 by banning candidate Prof Lessig from the debates? If you are still reading, here is a clip of Harvard Professor Lawrence Lessig explaining why the Electoral College is not working as envisioned by the Founders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76_qOYaOPkI&app=desktop
      [O] GERRYMANDERING: After watching Lessig, read, or listen to, David Daley’s book [Ratf#%ked) on Gerrymandering.
      https://www.realchangenews.org/2017/12/20/book-review-ratfked-why-your-vote-doesnt-count
      [P] BOOKS & DOCUMENTARIES:
      1) Watch, “THE GREAT HACK” on NETFLIX.
      2) Read, “Dark Money” by Jane Mayer.
      3) Watch, “THE BEST DEMOCRACY MONEY CAN BUY. Greg Palast film – Amazon.
      4) Read, “RATF**KED” by David Daley.
      5) Read, “One Nation Under God” by Prof Kevin Kruse.
      6) Read, “The Shock Doctrine” by Naomi Klein.
      7) Read, “On Fire” by Naomi Klein.
      [Q] REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY: Visit FAIRVOTE.ORG
      End.

    3. Revel Heir Trump literally admitted in his own words that he asked for the investigation… try not to use words you don’t understand buddy…

    4. @Michael Jordan NONE OF THOSE ARE “PROVABLE ” CRIMINAL OFFENSES … THEY ARE ALL ” FEELING RELATED” …..BIDEN IS A CRIMINAL WE SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO HIM…

      ESPECIALLY SINCE HE IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT… THEY ARE LIBERAL DELUSIONS THEY HOPE HE DID IS ALL… FACTS TRUMP FEELINGS..SORRY

    1. Cheese burger eating moron. Has anyone wondered whats going to happen after the #Republicans in the #SENATE find this #crook innocent.
      Will congress just try to get over it? The #fact he #perjurd himself on his written answers in the #Mueller #report may have something to do with not wanting to open himself up to #discovery on this #political charge. When he is in real #legal #jeopardy?
      #Impeachandremove

    2. @Trollkiller botsmacker you’ve been sitting on that couch watching way too much globalist OWNED mainstream news media old man.

    3. @Fe26 Here is the truth of the gop.

      If #trump is guilty and impeached. So is #pence guilty of the same #abuse of #power.

      If trump is indicted in the senate. Pence would be too.

      That would make Nancy Pelosi president.

      So this is to stop that! They will lose everything in the end. And they are scared now!

  2. If trump gets away with this what’s next GOP should be a shame of themselves for supporting this criminal history and voters will not be kind

    1. As incomplete [b/c Mueller failed to follow the MONEY which is what links Russian Oligarchy to DJT, specifically the unlawful money laundering] as the MUELLER INVESTIGATION was, it showed us these things:
      [1] MUELLER INVESTIGATION ACTUALLY MADE MONEY for the USA – NO COST TO TAXPAYERS: The Investigation more than paid for itself via fines, restitution & asset forfeiture.
      https://thinkprogress.org/at-a-reported-cost-of-25-million-mueller-probe-has-paid-for-itself-76fdcee15c9b/
      [2] USA ELECTION WAS ATTACKED by Cambridge Analytica (“CA”) & Russia [Internet Research Agency (“IRA”)]: The investigation showed the USA was attacked by Cambridge Analytica (“CA”) and Russia & Russian Organized Crime (Oligarchy) via the St. Petersburg, Russia based IRA. Even if you have not read the entire Redacted Mueller Report, just read paragraph #2 of the Introduction. The Investigation clearly concludes Russia attacked the 2016 USA Election. Here is the url to the Redacted Mueller Report. 
      https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5955379-Redacted-Mueller-Report.html
      https://www.tremr.com/161kilnfarm/the-story-of-how-cambridge-analytica-helped-trump-steal-the-2016-election
      Links explaining Russian Election Theft
      https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/18/mueller-report-russian-election-plot-1365568
      https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump
      https://www.wired.com/story/did-russia-affect-the-2016-election-its-now-undeniable/
      https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/russia-trump-and-2016-us-election
      https://time.com/5565991/russia-influence-2016-election/
      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/08/03/russian-us-election-interference-donald-trump/878910002/
      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/information-warfare-how-russians-interfered-2016-election-n848746
      https://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-has-won-mueller-report-details-the-ways-russia-interfered-in-the-2016-election-11555666201
      https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/09/20/us/politics/russia-interference-election-trump-clinton.html
      https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/09/20/us/politics/russia-trump-election-timeline.html
      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-this-author-says-its-highly-probable-russian-interference-swung-the-2016-election
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/19/actually-mueller-report-showed-that-russia-did-affect-vote/
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-sad-truth-about-russian-election-interference-is-that-we-knew-about-it-before-election-day/2018/12/09/0d13d30c-fb06-11e8-8d64-4e79db33382f_story.html
      https://www.hsdl.org/?abstract&did=824221
      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/22/mueller-report-what-know-russian-election-interference/
      [A] Cambridge Analytica:
      CA & the UK-BREXIT ATTACK: And, it wasn’t just the USA that CA went after… CA manipulated the UK BREXIT vote!
      https://youtu.be/cy-9iciNF1A
      So, now you are wondering, who is CA? Billionaire Robert Mercer (the $$$ behind the Kleptocrat-in-Chief) and Steve Bannon (yup, one and the same!)were the founder/brain of CA!
      [B] EDUCATE YOURSELF
      Be an educated citizen/voter. Don’t be swayed by simple tropes being spread by uneducated followers, non-thinkers and haters. Learn the facts about TRE45ON.
      The LYING-LIAR-IN-CHIEF is a CRIMINAL: Not just in your head, but in your heart, you know TRE45ON isn’t JUST a VERY bad businessman (the king of bankruptcy), you actually know he is a criminal con-artist. Laundering Russian Oligarchy money is his bread & butter – his kids have explained that Russia funds their ventures!
      [C] PSYCHOMETRIC WARFARE & HATE-FEAR: It is easy to be swayed by hate/fear (Nazi Germany). It takes true character, guts, determination and smarts to become educated.
      If you are still reading… 
      [D] FOREIGN AFFAIRS: IRAQ: Did you forget that George Bush lied us into the Iraq War? How many lives were lost and/or ruined by the Iraq War? And how many billions of our tax dollars were wasted?
      [E] TAX POLICY: AND, WHAT ABOUT TAX POLICY: The Repugnant Republican’ts [DJT, Bush & Reagan] tax cuts benefit the rich, not the middle class and poor. The USA debt and deficit skyrocketed with all of the Republican presidents since 1980…
      [F] DEBT: And, The SOCIOPATH-IN-CHIEF, is running up the debt faster than any previous Administration! Republicans are NOT the party of fiscal responsibility! REPUGNANTS are the Party of the 1%.
      [G] PARTY SYSTEM HIJACKED BY EXTREMIST: I am no fan of either party, but the Dems have, in the past, proven themselves to be the better party when it comes to fiscal responsibility. With all sarcasm that can be expressed, how are you enjoying the better health care system that was promised by TRE45ON?
      [H] PROMISES NOT KEPT: What a crock to claim the CHEATER-IN-CHIEF keeps his campaign promises: Here are a couple of links, one to read and one to watch:
      https://www.vox.com/2018/10/18/17990626/trump-promises-made-promises-broken
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZD_xyAjC-E
      [I] MORE REPUGNANT FOREIGN POLICY CRIMES & TRE45ON: Regarding treason, Nixon did the worst Presidential treason in 1968 (links to news articles about the treason involving the war in Vietnam):
      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/nixon-tried-to-spoil-johnsons-vietnam-peace-talks-in-68-notes-show.html
      https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/notes-indicate-nixon-interfered-1968-peace-talks-180961627/
      As a private citizen, Nixon treasonously (VIOLATED THE LOGAN ACT – it is illegal for a private citizen to conduct USA diplomacy-foreign policy) conducted USA diplomacy-foreign policy. His political organization contacted S. Vietnam government officials and Nixon persuaded S. Vietnam NOT to sign a peace treaty during Johnson’s Presidency. The treason wasn’t just doing diplomacy-foreign policy as a private citizen, this contact prolonged the War – which resulted in more death and maiming. Nixon falsely claimed S. Vietnam would get a better peace deal with Nixon as President. So, no peace treaty during Johnson’s term which made the Democrats look bad because they could not end the war. Thus, Nixon was first elected President in 1968 as a TRE450NOUS TRAITOR. How many more people lost their lives and how many more were disabled by the failure to end the war during Johnson’s Term?
      [J] WATERGATE: Then, do you remember the 1972 Election & Watergate? Do you think you actually know what Watergate was about? Watergate was ALL ABOUT Nixon doing crimes – Treason again – to stay in power and win in 1972. The Convicted DNC HQ Watergate Burglars were REPLACING listening devices which means they previously broke into the DNC HQ, when they initially installed the listening-recording devices! Nixon feared Edmund Muskie as the potential Democrat Presidential Candidate. Nixon wanted to face McGovern, not Muskie. The fear was so great that Nixon had his criminal dirty tricksters sabotage Muskie’s Democraric primary campaign through numerous criminal acts – ALL involving lies and deception. One of the bigger crimes that ended Muskie’s Campaign was the Canuck Letter. Remember the Canuck Letter? Nixon Aide, Ken Clawson. (he has admitted to writing the Canuck Letter!) authored the Canuck letter which was designed to paint Muskie as a racist!
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/watergate/articles/101072-1.htm
      [K] MORE OF THE SAME: The Kleptocon-artist-in-chief, along with Russian Organized Crime (Oligarchs) just followed the Nixon Playbook on how to criminally steal a USA Presidential Election. Just to tease your curiosity, do some investigation into Roger Stone’s connections to both Nixon & Trea45on. You might be stunned if you have not been connecting the data points.
      [L] EASY USUALLY MEANS FAKE: If something sounds like an easy answer to a complex problem, you can probably presume the truth is not so easy to discern. REAL PATRIOTS NOT FAKETRIOTS: Be a patriot to the USA. Do your homework! And remember, it was George Washington who warned us about Party Politics in his Farewell Address – Party(s) can be hijacked by extremists!
      [M] PEACE IN OUR TIME: Much of the real enemies of democracy are hate, war, military-industrial complex (Eisenhower warned us about the M/I Complex, right?), ignorance, looking for easy answers, not accepting the fact that corporations have no regard for the little guy – by law, corporations must first answer to their shareholders!
      [N] ELECTORAL COLLEGE: Remember how CNN screwed us all in 2016 by banning candidate Prof Lessig from the debates? If you are still reading, here is a clip of Harvard Professor Lawrence Lessig explaining why the Electoral College is not working as envisioned by the Founders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76_qOYaOPkI&app=desktop
      [O] GERRYMANDERING: After watching Lessig, read, or listen to, David Daley’s book [Ratf#%ked) on Gerrymandering.
      https://www.realchangenews.org/2017/12/20/book-review-ratfked-why-your-vote-doesnt-count
      [P] BOOKS & DOCUMENTARIES:
      1) Watch, “THE GREAT HACK” on NETFLIX.
      2) Read, “Dark Money” by Jane Mayer.
      3) Watch, “THE BEST DEMOCRACY MONEY CAN BUY. Greg Palast film – Amazon.
      4) Read, “RATF**KED” by David Daley.
      5) Read, “One Nation Under God” by Prof Kevin Kruse.
      6) Read, “The Shock Doctrine” by Naomi Klein.
      7) Read, “On Fire” by Naomi Klein.
      [Q] REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY: Visit FAIRVOTE.ORG
      End.

  3. According to past/recent news reports and numerous congressional investigations,
    it’s obvious, this current president, some of his family members/specific Republicans …
    has alleged prior business connections with Russia, China,Turkey, Saudi Arabia dictators
    and other evil-doers …
    to advance Trump’s deceptive corrupt goals … of alleged election rigging, money laundering,
    abuse of power, bribery, extortion, and probable multiple other “corrupt crimes,” not being investigated by congressional committees and our law enforcement agencies.
    Where’s Trump’s tax returns?!
    There’s probably criminal evidence to be investigated within Trump’s Russian business connections or whatever else is hidden within those Trump elusive tax returns.
    I’m not sure, when these “NDAs, Non-Disclosure Agreements” started with prior presidents, they’re … “wrong, intimidation tactic instructions, given by some past/present duly elected presidential executive leaders.” The President has taken a sworn oath and never signed a NDA.
    Congress should create new legislation to consider, “any form of prior/present presidential
    discussions of signing NDA documentations, verbal pledges, devotion due to loyalty
    or intimidation/bullying tactics, etc., should be considered … “an unethical intent within,
    abuse of power … to usurp his/her sworn constitutional duties to our nation and people
    within the Republic.”
    Future, Presidents, Vice Presidents, Congressional members, or any government official,
    should be Censured, given written stern counseling for, unethical misconduct …
    “Abuse of Power,” to be placed within their evaluation progress report file.
    The individual/s should be instructed, any future unacceptable unprofessional,
    unethical misconduct, will automatically, be causal reason for termination of employment
    or grounds for impeachment inquiry.

    1. You’re very ignorant! I bet you’re an individual who believes the House can subpoena anyone and if the individual doesn’t comply then that’s obstruction. Ex. Trump tax returns! VERY Dangerous thought process there! Let me tell you something that most with a sixth grade education who took Civics knows. The three branches of government are meant to be of checks and balances. If the founders wanted the House of Representatives to have that power they would’ve added that in the Constitution in regards to impeachment. By the standard Democrats are setting, every POTUS will always be at the mercy of the Legislation branch and have to comply at there will. Explain in that case…WHATS THE POINT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH?

    1. @Revel Heir seriously, ratings? You are parroting that dumb fat baby in Office? It’s almost sad, but you deserve each other. OK Chumpster. I’m done with you.

    2. @David M who knows, though at this point it will not surprise me if there were something. Let’s see, Lev wants to sing to Congress and Rudy is on the loose.. it’s only Thursday, so there is still time for Chump to get one in there by Sunday.

  4. The pattern of insanity is frightening. He needs to be protected from himself! Remove him and those who are using him for their own selfish greed.

  5. This whole spectacle- All of it – seems like ‘ the dark night of the soul for United States’ It is a crossroad, a very important Crossroad where the Soul of United States will be displayed for the whole creation to Witness.

  6. Sometimes I feel people have total blackout from Mueller investigation, like it didn’t happen. For example, wasn’t long ago when 1K+ lawyers signed a statement saying that based on Mueller’s findings Trump committed obstruction of justice. Afterwards, few of them went before Congress testifying they are not only confident they would secure conviction if in court, but on the appeals as well. So, I don’t know what’s there to discuss and consider. For democracy to evolve each generation must have higher standards than those who came before them.

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