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MSNBC's Trymaine Lee discusses black activists raising concerns about white agitators escalating violence at protests. Aired on 6/1/2020.
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  1. Don’t let them divide us.

    This is about us against the government

    • Problem is who is, “us” exactly. Every faction seems to think they are more special than the other. We need a uniform resistance group with the same message– no corrupt government.

    • Green Manalishi | June 1, 2020 at 7:06 PM | Reply

      Concerns are that The Orange Clown HAS in fact, given “The WORD” to his Fascist minions… it’s OK to invade protests, start trouble, and provoke violence – And he may be settup up Military support for his White Power ‘Boogaloo’ movement

    • @Mike Lopez Sounds like a plan Mike. All races need to unite in these dark times to overthrow a corrupt government who’s only interests are enriching themselves more while we the working poor fight for the scraps off their tables personally I’d love to see guillotines erected not far from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and all those weaklings hung for crimes against the people

    • @cmc R100

      Me too! At least back then the government didn’t have assault rifles and the likes. It made public hanging easier to accomplish.

    • You are so ryt💪👀

  2. Edwin van gent | June 1, 2020 at 6:45 PM | Reply

    Vote Trump OUT of office, DumpTrump 2020

  3. William Chao | June 1, 2020 at 6:47 PM | Reply

    There are undercover agents (domestic or foreign) to incite violence.

  4. Astroturfing. It happens a lot.

  5. cewanee washington | June 1, 2020 at 6:52 PM | Reply

    Only the paid negroes and white Jesus loving pastors care about who is doing the damage. Always missing the bigger picture and trying to tap dance around the justice system. Blacks could not do enough damage to pay for the injustices done to them!!!!!!!

  6. Batman is Mexican Batman is Mexican | June 1, 2020 at 6:54 PM | Reply

    💥 college students do more rioting and looting when they win a championship game you can replace things inside of a store but you can replace George Floyd’s life

    • 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

    • Deborah Freedman | June 1, 2020 at 8:18 PM | Reply

      Prove it. I’ve never seen college students looting and burning because they’ve won a game. My city has never been put on curfew for a game. Store owners are already hit hard by Covid-19 quarantine. Many cannot afford to replace what is looted.

    • darknite 123222 | June 1, 2020 at 8:49 PM | Reply

      You burn it you should be forced to rebuild it.

    • No College Town has had a week’s riots, curfews, and calling out the National Guard because they won a championship. They once pulled down a Traffic Light and tore down the awning of an outdoor cafe. that was terrible and the next day the Fraternities paid for all the damages.

  7. Professor Liberal Avenger | June 1, 2020 at 6:55 PM | Reply

    The violence sure looks like the work of radical right wing extremists….typical trump cultists.

    • Trump 2Q2Q The Library | June 1, 2020 at 7:40 PM | Reply

      Stick to your cities Antifa Professor, you come to the towns your azz is gonna get lit up like a Christmas tree

    • Professor Liberal Avenger | June 1, 2020 at 7:51 PM | Reply

      @Trump 2Q2Q The Library If so, they are SIGNIFICANTLY more intelligent than you. So is THe Professor’s dog. You may be brighter than His houseplant.

    • Professor Liberal Avenger | June 1, 2020 at 7:52 PM | Reply

      @Trump 2Q2Q The Library Conservatives are pro-fascist, good Americans are anti-fascist.

    • Kathy Franklund | June 1, 2020 at 8:47 PM | Reply

      I saw them starting fires on the streets of Minneapolis on I live Facebook feed from three different black men just out there filming! I hope they turn all that into the police department FBI whoever else! I hope Facebook takes part in helping identify a lot of these destructive people! Some of them are black and some of them are white!

    • How can you tell right wing from left wing. Do the right wing guys show up with Confederate Battle Flags flying from their Ford F150 Pickup Trucks. Are they whistling Dixie. Also, how the heck could they ever explain later in life that they participated in solidarity with a Black Riot. “I wasn’t really on their side. I was just agitating.” No, this is a case for Occam’s Razor (go with the simple explanation over the complex) that we would expect Left Wing Extremists to go to a Left Wing Riot.

  8. t’rump: “MAGA loves the blacks!”
    MAGA: “No we don’t.”
    t’rump: “Shhh….I think they’re buying it.”
    America: “Nah, we ain’t.

    • Higgs Boson | June 1, 2020 at 7:11 PM | Reply

      @Randy Couch white guy blows away white country music fans.
      58 victims.
      Forget about that did ya?

    • Lol… that was so funny!

    • Street Buddha | June 1, 2020 at 7:16 PM | Reply

      OUR MONEY IS OUR POWER!! IF WE DON’T SPEND THEY DON’T SUCCEED!!!! SHUT DOWN THE ECONOMY!!! SHUT IT DOWN!!!!

    • @Randy Couch you’re such a troll

    • Mathew Conrad | June 1, 2020 at 8:11 PM | Reply

      @Randy Couch Black lives matter…not to black people. 200 to date this year in chicago by other blacks. And I wont bring up how many in Philly where I live. But no one in BLM protest those issues. Fake movement.

  9. John McDonald | June 1, 2020 at 6:56 PM | Reply

    Go back to your bunker and stay there donny!
    We’re better off if you do!

  10. I thought it was mostly white supremacists who were being agitators.

    • @frictionRx9 Ah, you poor thing, unable to accept reality.

    • frictionRx5 | June 1, 2020 at 8:20 PM | Reply

      @Only Facts we’re tracing your location right now…son

    • Conspiracy theory much?? Funny, how all of the conspiracy theories exist on the left. I saw plenty of blacks and whites rioting. They looked like loser antifa thugs to me. Were your Cape proudly. LATINOS FOR TRUMP

    • Jean-Luc Picard | June 1, 2020 at 8:47 PM | Reply

      So all those hundrets of black looters and vandals i have seen in the news the last 4 days were all white supremacists?

    • Okay, but how are we telling the difference between White Supremacists and White Anarchists? Do they have Confederate Battle Flags. Are they whistling “Dixie”? Yeah, WhiteGuys on the same side of the line as the Cops and facing in the same direction, okay, those are white supremacists. But setting fires and looting. That sounds like White Privileged Middle Class Bomb Throwing Anarchists. Also imagine a Political Purity Tribunal in the Future after Gun Nuts overthrow the Guvment and take over. They have video of Buba at the Minniapolis Riots looting Target. Okay, explain that. “Oh, I was an Agitator Provocateur. I was acting like I was for them because I was really against them.” Yeah, I really don’t see that. I really wouldn’t want to go back to Kansas and explain to all the guys at the Bar how I was looting and pillaging after cops killed a Black Guy. that would take a level of subtle complexity which would surprise me coming from that demographic.

  11. So is Trump using Antifa as a catch all for anyone protesting about african american civil rights?

    • Raven Stark | June 1, 2020 at 7:33 PM | Reply

      @Da’Chief
      No they are not.

    • Daniell Watson | June 1, 2020 at 7:49 PM | Reply

      @Raven Stark waste of skin

    • Well, we all have a pretty good idea of what Antifa is, right? Also, these White Anarchists, well, is it Solidarity with the Black Movement, or is it that they are being opportunistic and using this Black Cause to further their own agenda. What is their own agenda? Well, this might not make sense to you or I but their path to Change is through a Total Collapse of the Socio-economic System… back to the Jungle, the Dark Ages and the Wild West, and they think that THEY will be the ones to put everything back together again, but inside an Ideological Framework which suits them. So they are actually looking at Smoking Ruins as a good thing. But is that what Blacks want? I guess there are Black Anarchists… but what are the chances that Blacks and white skate board gamers living in their parent’s basements are of the same mind?

    • Jason Mckibbin | June 1, 2020 at 9:30 PM | Reply

      @Leo Volont (I am not the author.)TO: ALL MEDIAPUBLIC STATEMENT FROM “ANTIFA” IN RESPONSE TO THE THREATS ISSUED BY UNITED STATES PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMPDear Mr. Trump:Let us be perfectly clear:“Antifa” isn’t an organization. There’s no membership, no meetings, no dues, no rules, no leaders, no structure. It is, literally, an idea and nothing more. Even the claim of this author to represent “Antifa” is one made unilaterally for the purposes of this communication and nothing more; there is no governing body nor trademark owner to dispute the author’s right to represent “AntiFa.”“Antifa” is a neologism constructed from a contraction of the phrase “anti-fascist.” The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.The ostensible president of the United States has, today, openly declared that he is a fascist, and that he intends to turn the military power of the United States into a fascist tool.Now there is no question, and we can stop pretending that this man represents anything but the worst in humanity, which his supporters embody.And that is the only effect his words will have.It will likely be no problem for LEO to identify the author of this document, who also has maintained the “AntiFa” page on Facebook since founding it in 2017.The author of this document is unconcerned with that inevitability because neither that author, nor this document, has been involved in a crime of any sort in any way.But, since both the “president” and the media insist on acting as though “AntiFa” is this big, scary organization, the author supposes it’s time for “AntiFa” to make a statement.Thus:“AntiFa supports and defends the right of all people to live free from oppressive abuse of power, whether that power is unjustly derived from wealth, status as an employer, or political popularity.Particularly, AntiFa defends and supports the right of oppressed and marginalized people to protest, march, and engage in civil disobedience in pursuit of justice. While it is never our intent to engage in violent or destructive behavior, we cannot and will not take responsibility for telling people how they are allowed to be righteously outraged. We prefer and encourage non-violent action. We also understand that some people just aren’t feeling that nice anymore. Their feelings are entirely justified, and it is neither our role nor our privilege to tell them otherwise.Mass civil disobedience is what happens when people say they’re hurting and whoever’s hurting them refuses to stop.Stop hurting them. Fix your broken systems. Get real and meaningful psychological evaluations and background checks – police in some nations have to pass a more stringent test to carry pepper spray than any police department in the US, or the US military, have in place. As a direct and possibly deliberate consequence, our military and paramilitary personnel simply cannot be assumed to be fighting in the interests of the people of this country.We’ve all seen the photos. This destruction and burning and looting is largely the behavior of outsiders; white people taking advantage of the situation both to enrich themselves by looting under cover of the protests, and to provide excuses for uncontrolled fascist elements within our military and police forces as plausible cover for killing more black, brown, and poor people without fear of sanction. The so-called “accellerationists” who have committed to ensuring that, any time a marginalized community stands up and demands justice, construct a narrative of criminality and destruction that white bigots and affluent oligarchs who benefit from our broken system to validate their bigotry and injustice retroactively. They are successful in this for two reasons: because people like you are easily manipulated in your banal, self-serving ignorance, and because people like you are more than happy to passive-aggressively reap the benefits of pretending to believe this destruction is the act of the oppressed.This game has gone on for decades on an endless loop since the very dawn of the civil rights era, and we the people are saying ‘no more.’”And that, “President” Trump, is your solution. No more. Get the dirt out of your law enforcement and your military. Get the dirt out of your government and administration. Ideally, resign now and take your VP and cabinet with you; Nancy Pelosi isn’t a great deal of improvement, but she’ll only be president for a few months.You can’t arrest 100 million of us, sir, and you would be well-advised not to try. If you think that targeting and “making an example of” the author of this document will get you anywhere, you may rest assured that this author is more than prepared to allow his real name to be used as a rallying cry for justice and civil disobedience from coast to coast.It is time for you and everyone who thinks like you to understand that whether black, red, brown, white, or any other color, Americans are done living in a nation of empty platitudes and broken promises.Traditionally, this type of document is accompanied by a list of “demands.” Here are our demands:-Universal single payer health care, without regard for citizenship status.-Universal basic income WITH a federal job guarantee, under which the federal government becomes the “employer of last resort.” Involuntary unemployment is a function of profiteering by fascist capitalist oligarchs who are willing to sacrifice the lives of others for their own enrichment. It must end.-The abolition of “right to work laws” which do exactly the opposite of ensuring anyone’s right to work.-Publicly funded higher education.-Robust and effective social welfare programs to include child care, education, employment training and counseling, parenting skills training, and life skills training including fiscal education.-A requirement that functional proficiency in media, political, and economic literacy be demonstrated to graduate high school.-The creation of a publicly funded non-partisan media source to serve as the primary source of government information, to be overseen and managed day to day by a coalition of well-known communicators, political scientists, and other experts in propaganda to strip ALL bias from official information before it is broadcast.-Federal charges of treason filed against anyone willfully and knowingly attempting to minimize public perception of the impact and risks of the coronavirus.-Reform of whistleblower laws to ensure they have teeth, and particularly to ensure that a whistleblower, acting in good faith, is not identified to the public, ever.In the end, Mr. “President,” the simple reality is that “AntiFa” isn’t a thing. You can’t end it, you can’t arrest it, and you can’t silence it. Nor, in any decent nation, would the attempt even be made.“Antifa” means “Anti-Fascism.” The only position that opposes that is fascism. In the end, there is no “organization” that you can “declare terrorists.”You, sir, and yours, are the terrorists, and your victims are done putting up with it.America is not, in spite of having an openly admitted fascist as “president,” a fascist nation. We’ve had wars about this. The fascists are 0-2.Please, Mr. “President” – let’s not try to make it 0-3? Because it will never, ever be 1-2, and none of us wants to see the death toll from your attempt to make it so.Currently, media and other actors wishing to contact this author may do so through the page. Should Mr. Zuckerberg, who has displayed plenty of authoritarian and fascist tendencies himself, decide not to host that page any longer, this document will be updated.Best Regards,“AntiFa.”

    • Some Person | June 1, 2020 at 9:44 PM | Reply

      @Raven Stark they think the people celebrating the death of Bin Laden was a protest…

  12. Alexandra Jet | June 1, 2020 at 7:00 PM | Reply

    Was wondering when the news was going to catch on and finely talk about it, come one it’s been a tactic since the day slavery ending, and black people like Martin Luther king started standing up for the right to be free in the U.S. ITS NOT US, 98% sure it’s Trump in his bunker calling his friends with the AK-47 that screams “hail Hitler” and “let us in” at a government building as if they work there! 🤦🏾😢❤️🌍🙏🏾

  13. White agitators are also known as the cops.

  14. DC Jiu Jitsu Geelong | June 1, 2020 at 7:08 PM | Reply

    Trump: make America great again
    China: Your MAGA hats are ready to pick up

    • *SAVAGE*

    • Some Person | June 1, 2020 at 9:44 PM | Reply

      Look he finally has millions of Americans marching because of him, that didn’t happen at his inauguration…😂😂😂

    • Dominance over the protesters. He ordered the Mayor. This is demonstrated by his brave and fearless actions. .HIDE in the bunker. SAFETY FIRST. …..MAGA Trump referred these protesters as RIOTERS AND labelled Hong Kong rioters as PEACEFUL PROTESTING HEROES with FULL support form Pompeo and Pelosi who said it’s a beautiful sight which involve burning of subways and banks as well as setting a person alight. Like OBAMA. George Floyd is BLACK. Trump will pardon the killer. He is WHITE. MAGA ???

  15. Marco Rodriguez-Diaz | June 1, 2020 at 7:09 PM | Reply

    He’s playing all of us, now he’s going to church, Son of a beac, been to church 2-3 times, mostley for failed marriages and photo ops. What a scum bag., The law and Order president, REALLY?

  16. They are infiltrated alt-right activists…Barr keeps lying about Antifa.

    • Jason Mckibbin | June 1, 2020 at 9:31 PM | Reply

      @Leo Volont
      (I am not the author.)TO: ALL MEDIAPUBLIC STATEMENT FROM “ANTIFA” IN RESPONSE TO THE THREATS ISSUED BY UNITED STATES PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMPDear Mr. Trump:Let us be perfectly clear:“Antifa” isn’t an organization. There’s no membership, no meetings, no dues, no rules, no leaders, no structure. It is, literally, an idea and nothing more. Even the claim of this author to represent “Antifa” is one made unilaterally for the purposes of this communication and nothing more; there is no governing body nor trademark owner to dispute the author’s right to represent “AntiFa.”“Antifa” is a neologism constructed from a contraction of the phrase “anti-fascist.” The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.The ostensible president of the United States has, today, openly declared that he is a fascist, and that he intends to turn the military power of the United States into a fascist tool.Now there is no question, and we can stop pretending that this man represents anything but the worst in humanity, which his supporters embody.And that is the only effect his words will have.It will likely be no problem for LEO to identify the author of this document, who also has maintained the “AntiFa” page on Facebook since founding it in 2017.The author of this document is unconcerned with that inevitability because neither that author, nor this document, has been involved in a crime of any sort in any way.But, since both the “president” and the media insist on acting as though “AntiFa” is this big, scary organization, the author supposes it’s time for “AntiFa” to make a statement.Thus:“AntiFa supports and defends the right of all people to live free from oppressive abuse of power, whether that power is unjustly derived from wealth, status as an employer, or political popularity.Particularly, AntiFa defends and supports the right of oppressed and marginalized people to protest, march, and engage in civil disobedience in pursuit of justice. While it is never our intent to engage in violent or destructive behavior, we cannot and will not take responsibility for telling people how they are allowed to be righteously outraged. We prefer and encourage non-violent action. We also understand that some people just aren’t feeling that nice anymore. Their feelings are entirely justified, and it is neither our role nor our privilege to tell them otherwise.Mass civil disobedience is what happens when people say they’re hurting and whoever’s hurting them refuses to stop.Stop hurting them. Fix your broken systems. Get real and meaningful psychological evaluations and background checks – police in some nations have to pass a more stringent test to carry pepper spray than any police department in the US, or the US military, have in place. As a direct and possibly deliberate consequence, our military and paramilitary personnel simply cannot be assumed to be fighting in the interests of the people of this country.We’ve all seen the photos. This destruction and burning and looting is largely the behavior of outsiders; white people taking advantage of the situation both to enrich themselves by looting under cover of the protests, and to provide excuses for uncontrolled fascist elements within our military and police forces as plausible cover for killing more black, brown, and poor people without fear of sanction. The so-called “accellerationists” who have committed to ensuring that, any time a marginalized community stands up and demands justice, construct a narrative of criminality and destruction that white bigots and affluent oligarchs who benefit from our broken system to validate their bigotry and injustice retroactively. They are successful in this for two reasons: because people like you are easily manipulated in your banal, self-serving ignorance, and because people like you are more than happy to passive-aggressively reap the benefits of pretending to believe this destruction is the act of the oppressed.This game has gone on for decades on an endless loop since the very dawn of the civil rights era, and we the people are saying ‘no more.’”And that, “President” Trump, is your solution. No more. Get the dirt out of your law enforcement and your military. Get the dirt out of your government and administration. Ideally, resign now and take your VP and cabinet with you; Nancy Pelosi isn’t a great deal of improvement, but she’ll only be president for a few months.You can’t arrest 100 million of us, sir, and you would be well-advised not to try. If you think that targeting and “making an example of” the author of this document will get you anywhere, you may rest assured that this author is more than prepared to allow his real name to be used as a rallying cry for justice and civil disobedience from coast to coast.It is time for you and everyone who thinks like you to understand that whether black, red, brown, white, or any other color, Americans are done living in a nation of empty platitudes and broken promises.Traditionally, this type of document is accompanied by a list of “demands.” Here are our demands:-Universal single payer health care, without regard for citizenship status.-Universal basic income WITH a federal job guarantee, under which the federal government becomes the “employer of last resort.” Involuntary unemployment is a function of profiteering by fascist capitalist oligarchs who are willing to sacrifice the lives of others for their own enrichment. It must end.-The abolition of “right to work laws” which do exactly the opposite of ensuring anyone’s right to work.-Publicly funded higher education.-Robust and effective social welfare programs to include child care, education, employment training and counseling, parenting skills training, and life skills training including fiscal education.-A requirement that functional proficiency in media, political, and economic literacy be demonstrated to graduate high school.-The creation of a publicly funded non-partisan media source to serve as the primary source of government information, to be overseen and managed day to day by a coalition of well-known communicators, political scientists, and other experts in propaganda to strip ALL bias from official information before it is broadcast.-Federal charges of treason filed against anyone willfully and knowingly attempting to minimize public perception of the impact and risks of the coronavirus.-Reform of whistleblower laws to ensure they have teeth, and particularly to ensure that a whistleblower, acting in good faith, is not identified to the public, ever.In the end, Mr. “President,” the simple reality is that “AntiFa” isn’t a thing. You can’t end it, you can’t arrest it, and you can’t silence it. Nor, in any decent nation, would the attempt even be made.“Antifa” means “Anti-Fascism.” The only position that opposes that is fascism. In the end, there is no “organization” that you can “declare terrorists.”You, sir, and yours, are the terrorists, and your victims are done putting up with it.America is not, in spite of having an openly admitted fascist as “president,” a fascist nation. We’ve had wars about this. The fascists are 0-2.Please, Mr. “President” – let’s not try to make it 0-3? Because it will never, ever be 1-2, and none of us wants to see the death toll from your attempt to make it so.Currently, media and other actors wishing to contact this author may do so through the page. Should Mr. Zuckerberg, who has displayed plenty of authoritarian and fascist tendencies himself, decide not to host that page any longer, this document will be updated.Best Regards,“AntiFa.”

    • @Jason Mckibbin Okay, Jason, you’re not the author so who are you? The boy that hold his beer? I keep hearing that the Anarchists don’t have any Leaders but they sure do seem to have a helluva lot of followers. Oh, here’s a joke: How can you tell how the Leader of a mob of Anarchists is? He’s the guy who says “We don’t got no Leaders”. Yeah, boss, anything you say. Anyway, I didn’t read much of that because, well, what for. Without the Author on hand there is nobody to answer for a word of it. You’re just the errand boy. You wanna hold my beer too? Maybe later I can give you a little kiss sweetheart.

    • @Deborah Freedman They are hundreds of videos of white people caught breaking and being confronted by black protesters it becomes obvious at some point…also do no mistake opportunists who see things broke into and steal with those who actually broke. We’ve seen white, black, latino etc looters but those instigating those things are not always caught by news here are some evidence caught on camera
      https://youtu.be/pvUe7pJVYD4

      https://youtu.be/gEOn8zQk1hU

  17. My niece just saw this very thing where they were peacefully protesting and an outside group came in (that seemed to her to be the far right based on their tattoos and such) that set fire to the court house. So one bad apple can spoil the barrel and if that bad apple is tossed into that barrel by design to do just that then this is even worse.
    And there is a nice word to describe such, provocateur (e.g. see)

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/provocateur

    And an agent provocateur is in fcat there as an agent on behalf of some other group to provoke such acts by inciting others are doing those acts to cast blame on those others.
    And the sad fact is such tactic are well proven to work, at least against those who are so inclined to believe ill of the group being framed for those actions.

    So whether any such provocateurs be agents for some other group or if that group is the far left or the far right the effect is the same, it discredits those that are peacefully demonstrating and distracts from the message they are trying to convey.

    • And, BTW, I might add a correction here just for the record in that it turns out that it was not my niece but a friend of my niece that saw this.

    • @Ron Wilson – Thanks for the comment. . . . And FYI: Intelligence officials warned that Russia has long been planning to use white supremacist groups (etc) FOR EXACTLY THIS PURPOSE including just two months ago in the New York Times.

      And no doubt the only reason we’re not hearing about it all day every day is because TRUMP HAS FIRED **EVERY SINGLE INTELLIGENCE HEAD WHO HAS TRIED TO POLICE RUSSIA** SINCE DAY ONE. (And replaced them with compromised second rate yes men right down the line.

      i.e. It’s all hands on deck – heads down, round-the-clock Defense to November.

      (i.e. Unless Trump does us all a favour and steps down – or, keels over down in the bunker.) 🤞🏻🕶️🤞🏻

  18. Sophia Lewis | June 1, 2020 at 7:24 PM | Reply

    The Guardian newspaper: 01 06 2020. ‘He is a destroyer’: how the George Floyd protests left Donald Trump exposed.

  19. Anthropocene Atheist | June 1, 2020 at 7:37 PM | Reply

    My outside group is protesting defecating on the Constitution by Donald and the Trumpians.
    What’s your group protesting?

  20. Brainstorming Plus | June 1, 2020 at 7:44 PM | Reply

    The self – proclaimed “very stable genius” MUST leave!!! Unfortunately, he is absolutely inept!!!

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