Trump-Favored Ukraine Conspiracy Theory Traced To Russian Intel | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

Rep. Jim Himes, member of the House Intelligence Committee, talks with Rachel Maddow about the absurdity of Donald Trump's pet, debunked "Ukraine server" conspiracy theory, which according to newly released Mueller report notes, can be sourced to Russian intelligence. Aired on 11/04/19.
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Trump-Favored Ukraine Conspiracy Theory Traced To Russian Intel | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

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  1. The Ukraine conspiracy theory originates from the Russia. Essentially, Trump was just following orders from his boss.

    1. @Christopher Spanos
      Interestingly, a conservative British magazine called The Specter recently wrote an article titled The Seven Whistleblowers and you may want to read it.
      Among other things, it claims Kushner gave up Kashoggi to MBS via an intercepted call, though I don’t think he considered the journalist Kashoggi would be murdered at the embassy and dismembered, and didn’t do so purposely. But, he had no business getting a pass for security for this reason, among others.
      However, since MBS records everything, (research how he conned the people of Saudi Arabia, tracking all citizens via social media and murdering many of the of them), as does Erdogan. Because it very well may be why Trump pulled the troops from Syria if Erdogan threatened him with blackmail regarding Kushner.
      Of course, I don’t know if any or part of this is the truth. It could possibly be a conspiracy theory. However, this magazine is well respected and highly regarded by the British. And, as I mentioned, conservative.
      At the same time, I wouldn’t be surprised. After all, Trump did pull the troops without notifying or consulting anyone and in one phone call, resulting the loss of the only allies, the Kurds, we had in the ME, other than Israel. And this was a death sentence to the Kurds.
      It is also interesting that this hasn’t yet made the USA news. Least not that I’m aware of.

      In any event, I’m researching these allegations and if you’re interested in doing so I suggest starting with that article.

      This is one of many reasons I watch and read news and articles from overseas since they are interesting and of value by getting their perspectives as well as more facts.

      One fact is British Intel, (Australia Intel and other countries too), giving the USA intelligence information on Trump’s activities with Russian oligarchs before running for president but wasn’t investigated until 2016 and by then, too late.
      Trump is definitely compromised. And I don’t yet know how or why he’s still in office based on this.
      Other than the Mueller report, USA citizens haven’t been fully informed by our own media outlets.

      So, besides not wanting to divulge his banking statements and taxes, there is a lot more to learn that leaves me to pretty much know why and, frankly, at times is sickening. This is not for the faint hearted.

      Again, you have to sort the chaff from the wheat and use God given common sense.

      Edited to apologise for how long this comment turned out to be!

    2. @Selah The Republican that lost the Governor seat in Kentucky lost because he wasn’t likable. The rest of the election went the Republicans way, straight ticket. But I agree, this is all an American issue, that also effects the world.

  2. Attack the Ukraine and NOT Russia. Once again Trump has Putin’s back instead of the country he is suppose to protect.
    TRAITOR and coward.

    1. Mind Freshener Ukraine would disagree, since the Russians seized the Crimea, which is a part of the Ukraine. The West is helping the Ukraine get ready to apply to get into the EU, by cleaning up their government of corruption (removing former prosecutor Lysenko 3 yrs ago was part of this effort), by stabilizing their economy and meanwhile, the Russians invaded and annexed the Crimea. We think that an independent nation should be able to defend themselves against the invasion, hence the financial and military aid from Congress. How many Ukrainians were killed since early Feb. when the aid was approved for them? Trump caused the holdup of the funds, which was illegal (Constitution says only Congress controls the money, not the executive branch) and immoral (he is responsible for many Ukrainian deaths between Feb. and Sept. 11 when the funds were released (and they were released because the whistleblower told of the funds being withheld on Sept. 9, blowing the illegal diversion wide open). Trump violated his oath of office in perpetuating those illegal acts.

    2. @Laurie Huntley could you translate that into English? Doesn’t putin teach his trolls basic English? That’s SAD! BIGGLY!

    3. @Mind Freshener oh Mindy! Pick up a newspaper! Russia invaded Crimea in 2014 and is still attempting to annex more of Eukraine. The only thing standing between the current Russian incursion and further attempts to take it over are the European and American Allies. Although Europe has given far more support than the US, trump’s fat little orange fingers keep grasping at what is not his to hoard and insist “mine!!!!”

    4. @Mind Freshener wow. You are a major “fact denier.” No one, including Russia, denies the Russian Crimean land grab. I would love to know what your source is that is so far right of even Fox…oh…Sputnik, of course.

  3. Americans must rise up and protect ourselves before its to late. It’s been clear from the beginning that Trump, Putin, Fox News and the Republicans are GUILTY of Treason! If we don’t dump trump before the election it may be to late because they are planning to hack the election. Rise up America! 🙏🙏🙏

    1. James Lee treason ? I didn’t know CONGRESS had DECLARED WAR against anyone ….. I dislike the word treason being bandied about. I understand the motivation, it’s just inherently dangerous. I don’t want to be like Trump I want to prevail over him.

    2. Evan Hayford – They’re guilty of crimes, but not treason. That word has been bounced around too much. It is beyond my understanding how anyone can support Trump, however. I wish he’d just resign, which won’t happen as long as he has Fox News and his lying sycophants to defend him.

    3. Lotta Sunshine have you watched Bill Maher lately ? Bill wants to PAY Trump $1,000,000.00 TO LEASVE OFFICE ! He went on to say “he could get 1000 other people to put up $1,000:000.00 as well. Maher said he could REALLY be a Billionaire. He also says the average American would be willing to sent 5, 10, 20 dollars, they’d pawn their wedding rings to be rid of you ! “ 😜😜😜

  4. “The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command… and if all others accepted the lie, which the party imposed, if all records told the same tale, then the lie passed into history and became truth” 1984 – George Orwell
    “Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what’s happening,” “Just stick with us, don’t believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news.”- DJT The non stop gaslighting of America must stop, if it doesn’t we will lose our freedoms.

    1. @Crystal Giddens little troll, you should look up the English words. It’s so sad when trolls use feminine user names and make women look stupid.

    2. The Wiz Actually one can use Cretin or Cretin, so no not outside of my lexicon, as for MSNBC, as I have said before it is but one of a plethora of networks I am able to access & I & I alone can discern what if anything stated is factual or simply opinion. So wizzo the only thing you got is an empty handful of air. You need to be quicker than you are currently. Never mind have another go, practice makes perfect & you are a country mile away from perfection. Later Diz.

    3. The Wiz hilarious we can all see Trump press conferences, whirling chopper blades or sitting in a chair misspeaking, slurring words or simply telling untruths & backtracking when he knows he has painted himself into a corner. Sorry sport, we aren’t as gullible as you, it’s called independent thought.

    4. @Crystal Giddens 🙊🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🤔🤔🤔What a malicious projection! TrumPutin and the Republicrooc Party of heartless corrupt villains are the proven Deep State. 🤔🤔🤔🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸No more doubt about that!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🤔America wake up before it is too late to save our Constitution.🤔🤔🤔🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏👋👋👋

    1. NOYB donkno you’re off your meds man. Read something other than BS. How about Senate intelligence report?
      Might gain a clue or two.

    2. @NOYB donkno lol! Poor little snowflake! Get over it! Despite her vagina that so terrifies you, she has been found over and over, and over x12 committees and departments to be clear of criminal conduct. You sad little trumpanzees just have to get over your impotence in blaming an innocent woman for your crimes. So, when did this irrational fear and subsequent hatred of anyone with a vagina and a brain start for you? Daycare? It makes you so irrational…..sad. we all pity you.

  5. Next time they put someone in the Whitehouse make sure they’re not a crook, ooh, and an IQ above 80 wouldn’t hurt either.

    1. @Carlos Carlos Holy mother of god, are the regular paid trolls home sick today? Your english is atrocious. You must be a new hire

    2. But how would putting someone in the Whitehouse who has integrity, and is smart benefit Putin? Seems apparent Putin wanted a president whom he could manipulate in order to benefit Russia.

    3. @4c1dr3fl3x did I make a grammatical error ? Please be specific . I would like to improve my English it’s not my first language . Spanish is . But that is no excuse

    4. @Carlos Carlos that’s because several democrats with law degrees made that happen. Trump just hasn’t been able to fu^& it up in only 3 years. He’s getting close though. If we leave the fat little bully in the candy store much longer he’ll push us over into that recession he’s made possible. Basic economic cc. Ask a high school senior. We understand that education isn’t equally available to all, so we are withholding judgement on what appears to be your willful ignorance. Be careful! Darwinism does seem to take out the most feeble minded. We cant protect you from yourself forever.

  6. Trump can’t win on his merits, he doesn’t have any. He has to cheat, lie, and steal anything he wants. Even when caught orange handed he denies, rages, adopts ridiculous explanations, gaslights, mansplains…

    1. What’s so surprising in Trump’s case is such a large MINORITY of Americans can actually believe Trump’s claims.

    1. @Blanca Blanco the irony of it, too… Hitler only had the support of around 30% of the German populace when he took power. Nothing in history ever turned out well when the minority have rule over the majority — this seems to be no different.

      Trump supporters mostly are ignorant of history and what their ineptitude is leading to.

    2. Tip of the iceberg for three years because it is just an ice cube floating on the top with nothing beneath the surface. Impeachment SCAM!

    3. @The Wiz little wizzer! You’re still here? Spouting silly, belligerent bs, with only irrational emotion and no facts to back you up? Seriously! How sad is such a pathetic life that you waste time on sites like this as an impotent little troll everyone laughs at…..sad.

  7. It’s not like Trump’s followers even, “believe,” in Trump? They can spout the Propaganda they cling to; furnished by traitors who train them to HATE their fellow Americans, worse than any foreign enemy, but they have abandoned truth, patriotism and the idea of America. No one, except for the VERY credulous, or ill, actually, “believes,” in Trump . . .

    1. @The Wiz – Actually, that was a pretty clever response. Concise. On point. I salute you. If only you could do that all the time instead of your usual word salad!

    2. @Rod Allen You obviously didn’t read the whole story. “Far less concerted or centrally directed” than what your friends’ in Moscow did, it says.

    3. @Rod Allen “far less concerted or directed” than what your friends in Moscow did, it says. And even that doesn’t capture the vast difference in scale..really no comparison if you read the whole article. (Which you apparently didn’t.)

    4. Ash Roskell Don’t forget Fox and all the 24/7 right wing radio shows, that spew hate and division. They seem to want incite another Civil War, it’s insane. They’ve got their listeners hating fellow Americans the same way Americans hated the Soviets during the Cold War. There’s truly something wrong with an education system that produces so many people that believe in crap like Pizzagate and that mass shooting victims are “crisis actors”.

    1. @Exquisite Eva Grywalsky 🙊🇺🇸🤔Those who support TrumPutin are infiltrated in the United States of America to help the G.O.P> Government Of Putin with his vice-president Trumpussy enabled by his fellow shameless unpatriotic lackeys MoscowMitch, LeninGraham, MarxRubio, KremlCruz, BarrGrad, PuppyPompeo to savage and destroy our democratic institutions!!!🇺🇸🤔🤔🤔I ask myself why are we still paying our own destroyers? Shall we keep on paying them while they are serving their mastermind Putin and his KGB?🙊🤔 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 Is there any true patriot left in the Reputitrump Party of traitors? Hello dear brain dead fake cult worshippers are you still there?🙊🙊🙊🇺🇸🤔🤔🤔America wake up before it is too late to save our beloved Nation. Putin, we the people of The United States of America are, all together as one going to, very soon, take back our country. You, Your vice-president and all his despicable enablers will face the consequences once all this unthinkable crap is over.🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 May God help us save America from these evil beings.🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍🙏👋👋👋

    2. @jacques mbikila I love what you said and and had the courage of a true Patriot to speak truth to power. Just like every single witness who stood up for what is right.. truely inspiring to witness.. thank you so much for standing up for our country and speaking truth to what every single sensible American citizen is too afraid or too stubborn to admit.💯💯🇺🇸🇺🇸🤘🤘

  8. Trump colludes with the Russians against the United states, disparaging career diplomats, disparaging America’s allies and taking foreign money through his hotels. Why do the republicans support this traitor against their own country.

    1. Pretty darn sure they didn’t stop at hacking the DNC. Probably hacked the RNC as well and have “things” they can hold over 45 AND the GOP. Just spitballing here.

    2. @junglechick13 who knows..I can tell you that the most hacks come from Chinese IPs, that every unprotected server will have an attempted hack on average within about 4 hours.

    3. @junglechick13 you’re not spitballing. The FBI and Mueller both reported that Russians hacked both the DNC AND RNC, but only released info they thought damning to the Clinton Campaign. Do you need a link?

    4. @K H I was pretty sure I had read that a few times over the last two years so nice to know I wasn’t imagening it. Thanks KH

  9. Russia really hit the jack pot in selecting trump as a puppet……how did he ever pass security investigations plus family members, so many questions, Judgment Day!

    1. ​@bluegold21 Dead on, and you have nothing to apologize for. I hope every one of your countrymen reads your thoughts, so please spread your message. Very disconcerting that the launch codes the American PEOPLE own, now in the hands of a psychopath who believes they are HIS, has us out here very worried.

    2. @Flabby Bum I feel it is safe to assume you are not familiar with the US Constitution and The Declaration of Independence. I hope your lack of knowledge is a choice and not the schools failing to teach… as I fear. Good news: It’s never too late to learn from history. Tyrants wanting control of the world is not something new. It’s just new to the United States, but we’re a young country.

      Now, if you really want to bring us back to that kind of government. I will do what many generations of my family has done, I will preach our history to my children and grandchildren. I will explain how people like Flabby Bum were too lazy to do basic homework. They wouldn’t make a decision that was better for more than just themselves and their party.

      They would not support the basic beliefs upon which this country was built. Beliefs many have died to protect. We are a country governed by laws. Laws that apply to EVERY person. Being elected (by the minority) to work for the public does not mean you can ignore laws. It is made very clear, many times, over many years. No man is above the law!

      You want a lawless country? Do it the right way, change the law. Make it legal to be ruled by a king again. Vote to remove the rights of individuals who get to elect law makers. We may as well teach Russian politics since we wont teach what used to be common sense.

    3. @Andie Isabella All those words without making a point or pointing to a single thing I said which is inaccurate.

  10. if we don’t flush the G.O.P in 2020 they will be the American oligarchs ruling us permanently. just like in Russia . the trump voter sold us out without even knowing it.

    1. @Frances Lavorgna we need to start understanding that it may be that Trump has long planned this, is beneficial for him financially and he admires fascist dictators. The whole pee tape thing is a distraction. One that people want or need to believe for some reason. Trump is a white supremacist in a diversifying world. Full stop.

    1. @Richard T I did, but it was difficult to distinguish one single intelligent person, which I’m sure FSB consists of, among that great gathering of political idiots every trumpanzee meeting consists of.

    2. @Maharajji NKB Gordon Sondland, the dude who Trump appointed as a foreign ambassador because he donated one million dollars to Trump’s election campaign, testified that yes there was indeed a quid pro quo, that Ukraine knew about it at least the month before the call, that the terms were clearly that the defense aid was being withheld until Ukraine publically announced an investigation into Burisma, and that Burisma = Biden. This is directly from someone who was (a) very much on Trump’s side in this ordeal and (b) personally involved in carrying out the arrangement and ensuring Ukraine knew how Trump wanted it to go down. That is official testimony from an eye witness. That’s what adults call evidence.
      Your turn.

  11. Overlooking the fact that Russia has interfered in most elections the last 10 years. The UK government is sitting on a report about Russian interference in the brexit vote and general election.

    1. I suspect Trump is the reason report not being released yet – could be no trade deal if you do Boris, or probably more sinisterly, we have really good intel co-operation you know, Boris. I know there is the obvious reasons it could be being held back, but I suspect there is more on this, because there is likely to be stuff on Russian effects on US included in report. All roads lead to Putin. Then you have Bannon, Cummings, Farage etc Brexit party voted against an EU bill recently about Russian interference in elections.

    2. @Mind Freshener Not at all Putin doesn’t care about liberal or conservative issues he just wants to break up the EU the NATO and any other organisation that stands in his way.

  12. This lieing, treasonous, greedy SOB must not just be impeached
    He must be found guilty for the actions he has committed breaching national security. He is a threat that needs to be dealt with!

    1. It’s the lie is big enough strategy, so Hillary hacked herself for what reason, so progressives could lean the DNC favored Hillary over Bernie causing many to boycot the election. She lost by less than 1% in a few states and the none of the above voting (libertarian/green party) votes approached 5% when normal is around 1%, if she was the one to hack herself it is the stupidest thing ever done by a politician.

    2. Rod Allen and how do you know he’s not Russian intelligence too. I mean. Our people said was Russia. The Senate Intelligence Committee said was Russia. Rachel never lies. She has opinions yes. But she don’t lie to us. You’re just hoping because you want to be led by oligarchs. Not a bright choice to throw away our freedom & constitution.

    1. U PUTIN LED LIE BELIEVING DEMON RATS R PUTTING A BIG SMILE ON THE FACE OF PUTIN DOING EXACTLY WHAT RUSSIA WANTED DISRUPTION AND LIES HOPE U FIND THAT WITCH WERE TIRED OF UR LIES

    2. @Art Tendler WHATS A SCREWED HOLMS HAHAH I DONT SPEAK RUSSIAN UNLESS U MENT THIS FOR UR PUTIN LED DEMON RATS THAT R DOING EXACTLY WHAT RUSSIA WANTED U TO DO DISRUPTION GOOD JOB FOR RUSSIA

    3. @Art Tendler JUST ASK UR SELF IF UR NOT TO DOPED UP WHAT DID RUSSIA WANT TO DO THIS ELEC CAUSE HATE HAVOC DISRUPTION CAUSE THEY DIDNT WANT TRUMP KNEW HE WOULD MAKE AMERICA GREAT LAST THING THEY WANT AND NOW WHAT R THE PUTIN LED DEMON RATS DOING CAUSING HATE HAVOC AND DISRUPTION THIS SIMPLE BUT U REFUSE TO SEE IT JUST LIKE GERMANY WITH NAZIS 1939 WAKE UP

    1. Perhaps so they could focus their misinformation campaign on areas of the country that would help their candidate the most.

    1. DEMON RATS DOING EXACTLY WHAT RUSSIA WANTED DISRUPT ,,,LIES,,,INTERFERE,,,,CAUSE HATE HAVOC AND COMMIE NEWS NET HAS U TO BLIND WITH LIES FOR U TO SEE WAKE UP OR THE DEMON RATS THE PRTY OF SLAVERY WILL AGAIN TAKE UR MONEY AND UR FREEDOMS WAKE UP STOP BEING USED AND FOOLED

    2. @Richard Hammonds another almost illiterate, all caps, ramble. You make the case for your own idiocy. Rave on cat 💩, someone will come along & cover you up!

    3. @Dawn Oceanside WELL I HOPE U STAY ON THE PIPE UR GONNA NEED DOPE WHEN DEMON RATS STEAL UR MONEY AND UR FREEDOMS ALL U NEED TO DO IS LOOK AT L A KALI AND OTHER DEMON RAT AREAS BUT JUST KEEP UP THE DOPE DONT WAKE UP AND ENJOY UR TRIP THROUGH THE GALAXY

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