Underestimation Of Trump Mob’s Violence More Than Mere ‘Intelligence Failure’ | Rachel Maddow

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Rachel Maddow argues that there was sufficient public information ahead of the January 6th riot at the Capitol to recognize the threat, so explaining Capitol security's lack of preparedness as an intelligence failure doesn't confront the real reason the pro-Trump mob's capacity for violence was underestimated. Aired on 02/24/2021.
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Underestimation Of Trump Mob's Violence More Than Mere 'Intelligence Failure' | Rachel Maddow

68 Comments on "Underestimation Of Trump Mob’s Violence More Than Mere ‘Intelligence Failure’ | Rachel Maddow"

  1. Justin Samuels | February 24, 2021 at 2:12 AM | Reply

    We know why Rachel. Our entire community knows. Thnx for trying to enlighten the others who feign ignorance.

    • William H Music 2021 | February 24, 2021 at 6:38 AM | Reply

      @Tucker Ford Liberal Democrats are by far the most hateful and racist people I’ve ever met 😳
      https://youtu.be/p_gWg2W4nY4

    • Gwendolyn Williams | February 24, 2021 at 6:55 AM | Reply

      @William H Music 2021 Gtfoh keyboard coward

    • @Bobbie C – I was just informed that liberals (which I am not) and Democrats (not this either) are the most racist they’ve ever met. My statement from prior post is my simple conclusion why the powers that be was truly unprepared for violence on Jan 6th, or maybe I’m just being racist.

    • @Carolyn Westlake I’m from the UK and aware that Rachel Maddow is a conspiracy theorist with zero credibility. She’s the liberal Alex Jones.

    • Ah, Justin, the warm fuzzy feeling of poor-me-I’m-black victimhood.
      And so many here affirming it for you everyday. I’m Asian-American,
      and I get a lot more flak from African-Americans than I do from whites.
      Its in the left’s (and China’s) best interests to keep us dissing each other.

  2. What happened on January 6 was the definition of domestic terrorism.

    Domestic terrorism is defined as: violent , criminal acts committed by individuals and/ or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, or racial nature.

    The Oaf Tweakers who stormed the Capitol that day thought they were starting a revolution, just like their hero T.McVeigh thought he was going to start a revolution.

    • Margaret Nicol | February 24, 2021 at 2:35 AM | Reply

      Only thing missing there: (… but it’s OK if you’re white)!!!

    • Yes it was underestimated but I believe because of the deep swamp of connections by Trump & his children that made the Capitol building riots a success. They did not even have to use cannons from the late 19th century to bomb the Capitol building or even use airplanes flying above the building. And even after the King in the White House has left power to be a private citizen – the deep Trump swamp still runs deep especially in the IRS (where money is the most important thing to Trump & his children), the Justice Department (there was No Counterintelligence Report on Trump in the White House by Mueller), Defense Department (“Billions Spent on U.S. Defenses Failed to Detect Giant Russian Hack”), State Department (bounty on USA troops just a Hoax), Inside of States, etc. And I believe the deep Trump swamp is now the greatest threat to voter suppression & Democracy in the USA.

  3. Margaret Nicol | February 24, 2021 at 2:30 AM | Reply

    Every person who heard that Trump was going to hold a rally on the same day/time as the vote confirmation thought ”Ohhhh – that’s going to be trouble!”. Very little ”intelligence” needed.

    • @Dog Poo Fairy Trump tweeted his supporters to come to Washington on Jan 6th (the day the electoral college votes were counted against him) he told them it would be wild , when BLM went to Washington in June with no instructions from anyone about it being wild he had 4000 National Guard there ahead of time. Also had the BLM protestors (who weren’t trying to storm any government building) teargassed and hit with rubber bullets so he could have a photo op at a church. Now why do you think he sent out the National Guard in June (with no intelligence that it would be WILD) but not in Jan when he already told them it would be wild?

    • GAAG IRS FCDA DOJ SDNY NYAG , any plans for this year ? https://www.senate.gov/senators/contact Ask the Senators when they are going to amend the Constitution to fix the January exception they hid behind in voting to acquit. Spread the plan if you want an answer on the amendment.

    • @Jacoba Smith maybe because those “peaceful protesters” were lobbing frozen water bottles at the police. If I was Trump I would’ve told them to use real bullets. By the way what are your thoughts on the Democrats ordering police to stand down while left wing terrorists attacked people and federal buildings? Trump offered to help but they told him to get lost and stop being a dictator.

    • @Dog Poo Fairy So someone throwing a water bottle deserves a bullet to the head but someone beating a police officers with a bat is just fine. That’s truly amazing! As usual when confronted by a question Trump supporters refuse to answer it. I’m sure you would have told Trump to use real bullets. Would you have said the same thing to Trump about the rioters at the Capitol? NOO ? would that have been because they weren’t BLM? Do show me where Democrats ordered the police to stand down when federal buildings were being attacked by BLM? Would still love an answer to my question about the weapons that were used at the Capitol . If you had a bat coming at your head would you say “oh it’s not a gun so it’s okay” ?

    • No it was important to have a rally on that day because of all the voter fraud.

  4. Ann van de Kew | February 24, 2021 at 2:47 AM | Reply

    Republicans are Carp
    that live outside a sewer pipe
    and get all fat and happy.

  5. RazzleDazzle 49 | February 24, 2021 at 2:53 AM | Reply

    DONT forget trump put flunkies in at the pentagon the pentagon wasn’t answering the call till bout 90 mins later

  6. Why were they not prepared???… cuz the crowd was not BLACK! If black
    people came up those stairs, they would have bumped into an aircraft
    carrier…… and no cops would be committing suicide.

  7. What ever happened to “Hope for the best and plan for the worst” in any potentially threatening situation

  8. Insignificant360 | February 24, 2021 at 3:02 AM | Reply

    They had the National Guard deployed and ready when BLM protested in DC, with over 14,000 arrested. The Zombie MAGApocalypse was allowed to come and go as they pleased after overrunning the Capitol. It’s not intelligence failure, it was Wink Wink Nudge Nudge.

  9. Joseph Vandevander | February 24, 2021 at 3:16 AM | Reply

    The “Intelligence Failure” WAS the Trump Presidency. 🙄

    • @Jacoba Smith Why will I ask Trump? Isn’t Biden the president?

    • @S C I guess since most of you trumpers think Trump is still president what’s going on right now will have to be on Trump’s shoulders.

    • @Jacoba Smith -What has President Biden and the democrats done for you?

      -When do you expect the Covid relief checks to be sent out? President Trump sent out 2 checks sent out in 2020. Can President Biden please send 1?

      -Why are states and millions of people still waiting for the vaccine?

      -Why are school teacher not going back to schools, even though supermarket workers have been putting their life on the line for minimum wage since the onset of the pandemic?

      -Why is it more important to raise minimum wage in the middle of pandemic, when stores and companies are going out of business?

      -Is it not wiser to raise the minimum wage when the economy is doing well?

      -Why is it more important for president Biden to stop the pipeline, stop building a wall and put more americans out of work instead of focusing on COVID recovery and getting kids back in schools?

      – Does President Biden have any plans to visit or send aid to Texas?

      – What is up with the Hunter Biden investigation?

      – Is BLM still a thing? There has not been one word of them in the news for months. Are the democrats done using them?
      Thanks!

    • @S C Since Biden has only been in office for a month and he has alot of mess to clean up I’m willing to give him a chance.
      I expect Biden will have the bill passed in a couple weeks and the checks sent out immediately after.
      The kids weren’t in school when Trump was president but in the last month it’s something that has to be done immediately?
      You don’t think workers deserve $15 an hr compared to $7-8 that they’ve been making for the last 10 yrs?
      Biden is due to visit Texas on Fri. You would probably know that if you watched news.
      Fox news (Hannity, Ingram and Carlson) spent 330 mins of airtime in the 2 weeks before the election. The month after the election the 3 of them spent 7 mins talking about it. Carlson claims to have had all the evidence, Then he lost it, Then he found it and never reported on it again. Strange for such a huge scandal don’t you think?
      I guess the insurrection at the Capitol by Trump supporters proved to be a bigger story than BLM’s protests.

    • @Jacoba Smith Yes! One of his first executive orders was to rejoin the Paris accords and shutdown the Keystone pipeline, putting 11,000 people on unemployment. I don’t think that should have been on his top 10 lists of things to do.

      The minimum wage should be raised if the economy can support it. But with the high unemployment, companies going out of business, again it should not be on his top 10 lists of thing to do.

      Teacher have been refusing to work since the onset of the pandemic. Trump and the DOH said there is no reason for the schools to be shut down. Why are teachers still getting paid to stay home?

      Friday!!!! Today is Wednesday. The Texas catastrophe was one week ago. What are his plans to aid Texas?

      Yes the Carlson “scandal” is as ludacris as the Russian collusion.

      If think the capital riot is more important than, and negates the BLM movement. You must be white and privileged. You may need to be woke.

  10. well nothing in the intel lead to the participants being black, so…

  11. They would not have underestimated a black crowd of armed insurgents.

    • @Peter Lorimer You’d be right, Pete. Saw plenty of American flags at the Capitol. NONE during last summer’s riots, looting, arson…except for the flags they burned.
      And you good people should stop parroting the media by calling January 6th an insurrection. NOBODY was going to “take over the government” with a few jackasses armed with sticks and other paraphernalia.

    • @Wilma Flyer Sorry, Which planet did you say you lived on, again?

    • @Peter Lorimer You should be sorry. Your side doesn’t debate the issues….. it mocks, insults, name calls, censors or flat out bans people they disagree with.

    • They would have just got on one knee.
      Now have a seat.

    • Insignificant360 | February 24, 2021 at 9:55 PM | Reply

      @Wilma Flyer And the ultimate patriot act in taking down the Stars and Stripes and replacing them with a Trump flag. Or beating cops with the Stars and Stripes.

      Take over the government? Maybe not but stop the certification and try to lynch or murder a few officials like Pelosi and Pence? They sure were trying.

  12. I feel many have underestimated Trump. Some people have tried to warn use and we have see some things first hand. If he ever gains power again it will be the end of America as we know it.

  13. Reid Fleming, World's Toughest Milkman | February 24, 2021 at 4:05 AM | Reply

    Imma lay this out for everybody, simplify some things for ya. Everything about Trump is worse than you think it is. A lot worse. The worst that you can imagine him ever possibly being — he surpassed that about 12 years ago while he was checking the mailbox.

  14. what about Lafayette square…plenty of guards there…but Trump wanted them there…he didn’t want them at the Capitol…Simple…SAD

  15. NOBODY believes that the intelligence services failed to detect a threat from this insurrection. NOBODY.

    • @Dog Poo Fairy I doubt that the people working in the building expected to be exposed like that. In a civilized world, you expect to be able to go about your normal routine without paying much heed to the possibility of being attacked, relying on the forces of law to deal with threats as they might arise.
      The members of Congress were entitled to expect their security to be assured by the entire resources of the US, not to be simply abandoned to their fate.
      At the very least this was a failure of the people employed to supervise protection of the Capitol. Listening to the inquiry, it begins to sound more like active collaboration at the highest level.
      The answers given to questions were glib and unapologetic to the point of being contemptuous.

    • @Verruca that’s a fair point but I don’t buy it. You had people like AOC running around being hysterical and the mob were in a building nearly half a mile away. She went to work that day, she would have had to travel to and from work without that security. In fact all of the staff in the Capitol Building would’ve had to travel to and from work. If they thought that a mob would be outside they would’ve taken the day off regardless of whether they thought the security would be adequate or not.

    • they underestimated the amount of moles on the inside

    • @Dog Poo Fairy Like I said, they are entitled to expect their safety to be assured by the people paid by the government to do it. Especially when they have such an important matter to deal with.
      The fact that it was NOT is the issue here.
      Nothing like this should be even remotely possible.
      There are no excuses. It was either dereliction of duty or criminal obstruction. No other option.

    • Parodoxical Sox | February 24, 2021 at 8:04 PM | Reply

      @Dog Poo Fairy Do you think they would have taken THAT day off, given the significance of THAT day? Think again.

  16. If one state (Michigan) was the rehearsal and the capitol was planned to be at least 50 times worse, who can be surprised?

  17. Akheem Akhi-Gbade | February 24, 2021 at 5:55 AM | Reply

    A lot of us are grateful those low life good for nothings didn’t cause more deaths in their insane rampage.

  18. Why don’t they just come out and say it: it was a crowd of white people and they weren’t considered a threat.

    • IKR, why not just say, but there were “no scary black or brown people ” there and white people are never violent or loud. They’re perfect so, of course, we thought there would be no problem. 😂 Meanwhile, the New KKK with the red hats and Confederate Flags have guns and bombs and are beating 👮.

    • I think more to the point, they weren’t protesting Trump. Anyone who was, last year in the area, was gassed or shot with rubber bullets. These people were carrying Trump flags and clearly in his camp.

    • Jennica O'Connor | February 24, 2021 at 9:07 AM | Reply

      Well at least they realize it now.

    • remember justice is a blind white woman.

  19. Skippy Skipperson | February 24, 2021 at 6:09 AM | Reply

    I’m seeing that many of the nimrods arrested are being charged with misdemeanors. They need to be charged with felonies. Convicted felons aren’t allowed to own guns. The right to vote is taken away from many convicted felons.

    • They first pin them with the easy to prove stuff like trespassing, destruction of federal property, etc. Then while the person is being held awaiting trial they will continue to investigate and try to pin any more serious crimes the evidence points to.

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