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Will Trump Defense Team Rely On ‘Olympic Level Whataboutism’? | The 11th Hour | MSNBC

 

MSNBC's Brian Williams predicts what we're likely to see from Trump's defense team, and discusses with author and activist Baratunde Thurston. Aired on 02/12/2021.
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Will Trump Defense Team Rely On 'Olympic Level Whataboutism'? | The 11th Hour | MSNBC

34 comments

    1. @one Hustles it doesn’t matter of what you think, it’s obvious your account was created last week because you’re a paid troll .

  1. After the attack DJT issued a Tweet: “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long.” This proves he intended the insurrection and is unrepentant for the deaths, injuries and damage he caused. He should be tried together with the other insurrectionists in federal court, charged with seditious conspiracy, insurrection, conspiracy against rights, violation of civil liberties under color of law and felony murder pursuant to: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/610 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/595 https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:52%20section:10307%20edition:prelim) https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:52%20section:20511%20edition:prelim) https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/homicide/felony-murder/ . Once convicted for insurrection, the 14th Amendment automatically applies: https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/section-3/

    1. I have the hope that AG Garland is currently looking into this and getting ready to serve the indictments when the political trial is over. And possibly deep inside a tiny bit more compelled to do so if trumpublicans follow through with their announcement to let him off the hook.

  2. Here’s a whataboutism: What about Mike Lee, Lindsey Graham, and Moscow Mitch meeting privately with the Trump attorneys, and yet they are supposed to be the jury. What about that?

    What about 18 U.S. Code § 1503 – Influencing or injuring officer or juror generally?

    1. Federal Code 2384 Seditious Conspiracy;

      If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

      Like the “Stop the Steal” campaign with Trump, Lindsay, and other GOP officials calling election officials in Georgia and other states to demand the throw out legal votes under legal election laws?

      US Code 2383 – Rebellion or Insurrection
      Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

      Like the Senator’s and alt reich “reporters” who keep making up BS to defend these terrorists? The representatives who gave tours, or the senator’s who go on shows and defend Trump’s incitement?

  3. Whataboutism is a logical fallacy, specifically the tu quoque (you too! appeal to hypocrisy) fallacy.

    The most pathetic thing is, most of us as small children can comprehend that “he/she/they did it too!!!” is not a logical or just defense. Apparently GQP’ers and their cultist base have yet to attain that “high” level of intellectual/moral maturity and understanding.

  4. Senators Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, and Mike Lee all met with Trump’s defense team today for several hours. So much for impartial jury members.

    1. Senate Impeachment Rules https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/pdf/1_1868ImpeachmentRules.pdf
      “XVIII. If a senator wishes a question to be put to a witness, or to offer a motion or order,
      (except a motion to adjourn,) it shall be reduced to writing, and put by the presiding officer.”

      nor does it jive with their oath:
      Form of oath to be administered to the members of the Senate sitting in the trial of
      impeachments:

      “I solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be,) that in all things appertaining to the trial
       of the impeachment of , now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: so help me God.”

      We’ll see whether it i addressed today in some way. Maybe the manager wait how the defense team fairs. But I’m sure Senators Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, and Mike Lee proposed a strategy mainly to score points against the democrats more than score points for tRump and they might want to have made sure their role in the incitement is not stressed in any way, like if you impeach tRump you have to impeach 90% of the Republicans, too.

  5. This trial was never about convincing the senators, this trial was for the GOP voters and will be shown 24/7 in their districts to remind them of just who it is they are voting for. These idiots didnt learn the lesson of trump, his base is HIS and its not enough to win anything…. RIP to the GQP.

  6. I doubt the GOP have the courage, character, or moral values to do the right thing, judging by the past few years.

  7. I’m not going to watch his defense team argue the undefendable they are liars and they don’t know the law so why wsiste my time but I did watch the House Managers and they proved their case.

  8. brilliantly said, ty both. it depends what cruz, lee, and graham ‘advise’ them to do, imo, after that meeting yesterday…

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