Rachel Maddow and an MSNBC panel discuss the political calculation American women voters are making about their desire to see a woman break the glass ceiling of the U.S. presidency and their fear of Donald Trump winning a second a second term. Aired on 02/03/20.
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Women Torn Between Gender Solidarity And Electability Over Trump | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
Gender solidarity or electability? What nonsense.
It’s a question between supporting someone who represents the most people, is consistent with fighting for those things for their entire careers, or voting based on identity politics and fear.
Right. It shouldn’t be about identity politics. It should be between the one who takes thorough notes, and the one who falls asleep. I prefer Warren.
You’re just a man hiding your sexual psychic violence & male privilege behind a fig-leaf argument of representative ideas.
Just kidding, but that was the exact response I got from someone else on a YouTube vid when I posted pretty much the same thing you did. I don’t even know how to reason with people like that. Insanity.
I unite behind the candidate that has woman’s best interests in mind. Stop this nonsense, msnbc. Would you be discussing this if it was down to Biden versus Tulsi?
@Mac Mcleod Ugh, the idea of voting like that should make you sick.
The discussion, or arguably more correctly this _reflection,_ is by no means nonsense. The video headline is (and it doesn’t really describe the conversation that transpires). It’s a genuine, rather large factor, and it’s gonna cost us immenseny as a nation if we don’t discuss and reflect openly and honestly about _all_ such factors. Had we been more willing to discuss and reflect the more controversial topics and elements at an earlier stage, we probably wouldn’t _be_ in this mess. Because by neglecting and refusing to touch on how neglected by politicians and government, and despairful desperate millions of people had been feeling for so long – the Democratic party and its surrogates practically chased millions of people onto the Trump train.
If we don’t look *all* of society in the eye and have real conversations that includes the less comfortable topics of concern – how on earth can we expectan outcome of change, for the better? We cannot treat what we refuse to know and learn to understand. It will just continue to fester.
@Mac Mcleod Bitter Bernies didn’t vote Trump into office, those were independents and Republicans that crossed party lines. Fun fact that pokes a nice fat hole in your balloon of a false narrative even further, bitter Hillaries I guess you would call them, 25% of Hillary Clinton supporters in her primary battle with Obama didn’t vote for Obama in the general, more than double those Bernie primary supporters that didn’t support Clinton in the general.. How d’ya like dem apples?
One second you’re talking about party unity, literally in the next about bitter Bernice (sic). WTactualF are you on about then?? Honestly, where is your mind at with that… Is *that* what you’d call engendering party unity?? SMH, wow, just wow.
@the blue penguin 100% of bitter Bernie’s were not Trump supporters. If only 10% of bitter Bernie’s had voted differently or even stayed home then Trump would not have been elected.
They literally voted in a man who what’s the opposite of everything Bernie Sanders stood for. And many of them cut off their nose to spite their face.
Women are electable when we elect them.
Neptune Moons It’s a deeply ingrained problem. Women are seen, still, as lacking “leadership qualities”, strength, resolve … no matter what the truth is. I believe in general women are better in organizing, people management, multi-tasking… and don’t have to take a back-step to a man in terms of getting tough as a leader, when they have to be.
They’re also, imo, more refined, diplomatic and manipulative (useful in politics and business) than men. They are more emotional, they say. I would say they are “different”, emotionally, not more. They seem to process emotions and handle them differently. Although it’s hazardous to make broad statements like that. You have men that have more feminine traits and women that have more male traits, and we all have different talents. But that stubborn feeling amongst a majority of ppl that women are somewhat inferior and less effective leaders is just plain wrong.
The only solution would be that many more capable women enter into politics (and business) and prove themselves, that’s the only way they can prove themselves towards not only male voters, but towards other women that sometimes have these prejudices too, I hav noticed, they prefer “the strong man”. People need to grow up and evolve. This is not a “bed-situation”, where its way sexier to have a submissive, adoring woman fulfilling your darkest, hottest male desires, than a bossy one who has all these intimate tabboos and rules.
This is about politics, freedom, democracy. Open up the doors, ladies, and prove that you belong. If the doors are held closed by men, kick it in. I need a capable, intelligent, strong yet compassionate woman as the next POTUS ! 😍
The first woman president will be a republican
We would have had a woman had the popular vote (which should have) been used. Not sure if we’d been much better off remember she is Rich and I believe the rich will help the rich….Period. Just like turncoat McCain did with the Tax cut for the Wealthy to protect his families wealth but at the cost of certain Obamacare provisions…SICK.
yeah right. Looking forward to this panel voting for someone like AOC when someone like that runs for president. smh. what a bs. GO BERNIE
Exactly. Want a woman to get elected? Then support one who truly fights for people 100%, not someone who goes 50%.
I’m rooting for Katy Porter, myself, but AOC would be ok too.
I think AOC is awesome but needs some experience and seasoning. Pelosi played the impeachment situation about as well as it could be played. AOC would have been much too aggressive and failed in a way that left the Republicans more powerful.
What they really mean is that you have to vote for an Establishment / corporatist / Elitist Conservative Democrat woman… They will never vote for a Progressive or a Right Wing Woman.. It has to be one who is from their little club and bubble. One that has the same elitist mindset as them…
They areso full of themselves.. smh
Gender solidarity?
We’re doomed.
@karen Burrows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9OjPQMnY7c
@karen Burrows I found another early reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_(Polish_trade_union)
@Kevin NYC Ooooo, Kev – bringin’ back da memories! I have such great feels from 1984….. Thanks, you crazy man.
@karen Burrows hahah no doubt
bax 60 Sad how men hate smart women. Tough! We’re here and you’ll have to learn to live with it kid.
Anyone that votes based on RACE or GENDER has no business voting ..
@David Powell They make it about race because they think the people they are trying to control are stupid.. When you climb the ladder of research what you find are CIA shell think tanks propagating the Race/Gender narrative .. Keep in mind the CIA was originally the OSS which is where the NAZI party was absorbed when THE USA thought it won the war.. The NAZIS actually won
@Mac Mcleod Give me a break. The Civil Right movement was 50 years ago. Democrats just want to keep you on the plantation. If you ever realized that you were already free and equal you would start demanding jobs and lower taxes – and they simply cant have that.
@David Powell i like Bernie because he had stuck to his principles and when asked a hard question he typically gives a straight answer and doesn’t pivot.
But he is pretty old. I recognize that as an issue to be addressed by his vp selection.
Haaahahahahaha, interesting? More like sad.
I made an error you can’t win 3 million more votes and lose by 77 thousand with no match of the 3 mill you have gained more than your opponent.
The fact that a woman lost to the most openly sexist man is so sadly ironic..i ll never get over it
Jen H I voted for Hillary. I thought she was the best qualified candidate and I was excited to think that we could have a woman president. Sad to think women today do not feel the same solidarity with other women that we felt so strongly in the 60’s and 70’s. I feel that young women today are largely unappreciative of advances we made back then and so they’re doomed to repeat the past.
@Margo Identity politics is done… If you are an exciting candidate then people will vote for you.. That is why they voted for a mixed race (black) guy with a very different name (Barack Hussein Obama)..
But they rejected Kamara Harris, Cory Booker, Deval Patrick this time even if they are also black. Even the polls show that the African American voters prefer Biden and Bernie instead of the black candidates..
Same with women.. Just because you are a woman does not mean you should automatically be elected president bu other women. You need to have policies that attract the voters. Need to have that personality that attracts voters..
Your side hasn’t gotten over it for 3 years, you’re not alone. You could use a little toxic masculinity in your life.
@The Aviationist. , Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. The flawed Electoral College appointed the election loser President Trump.
So when the right woman comes along, great, but for now there aren’t any that strike me as electable.
So let’s just make Trump King……….he did just changed our constitution to benefit him and won!
@K. Bentley , time for another revolution. We threw out the King before.
@Jared Stevens , Men like you have no business breathing.
Jared Stevens Men have no business telling women what to do. So shut the f…k up.
People of color also did not support the candidates of color in a similar mindset.
We Doesn’t Vote On Color, It’s Called Morals! Something The Republicans Doesn’t Has!
Because “people of color” is not a real thing.
We as minority do no operate as one. Asians, blacks and non-white latinos are not a monolith nor in alliance with one another, despite what the media says.
Trust has left the building, the dollar, the country.
I think that if you don’t know who your going to vote for by the day of the election then I’m sorry to say this but your a dope and maybe you shouldn’t vote and gender should have nothing with who you vote for.
WHY IS MADDOW NOT SACKED ALREADY? She is talking electability of candidates, seriously, what about CREDIBILITY, EMPLOYABILITY … WATCHABILITY OF HERSELF? AND POPULARITY TOO!
Because she knows what she is talking about.
What if women just want the best president, regardless of the gender? What if women are just that wise and not gender bias as the politicians seem to want them to be?
Biden shows Mental deficiency: yet the polls & MSM ignore … they want him ……(even though he’s declining in his years …potus anyway….
When these so-called pandits will learn most of the people do not vote based on race or gender. It’s policy stupid. Remember Hilarry.
If you want to get women behind a woman, then get a woman worth voting for. They’re out there, Warren isn’t the pinnacle of anything.
They just don’t get it . A woman for the sake of it is not good enough
Electability?
Republican party knows a better method: price tag from a perfect donor, And an obsolete institution which will deny popular vote in favor of a correct buyer.
“Gender solidarity”, wtf does that mean in a real “equal society”…ffs…how does this incompetence get on American television, we are lead by the least among us….
We are led by the least among us – lying, treasonous Trump.
Rachel baby just remeber your famous words” there is no path to 270″ LMAO