Washington Post columnist Max Boot joins CNN Newsroom to discuss the recent visit between Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin. #CNN #News
Max Boot underscores ‘one of the big divisions’ in China-Russia alliance
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Assuming you’re working on a baseline assumption that an east vs west war is inevitable, it would make sense for China to support Russia for the same reasons why it makes sense for the west to support Ukraine. The more equipment the west donates and loses to Russia, the more beneficial it is for China in said upcoming EvW war since they don’t have to expend any of their own troops. The west also wants Ukraine to be strong, so that they can deplete Russian (and possible now Chinese) forces/equipment to give them an advantage in any possible EvW war without losing any of their own troops.
So, if this happens, then the Russo-Ukraine war will officially be a NATO/China proxy war, with the winner getting a substantial advantage on the world stage. Poor Russia, in a year their reputation has gone from the second most powerful country in the world, to not even being a major consideration in their own war. 😂.
@Lucas NikunenOr being disgusted is the reaction you know how to have best.
@The Brutally Honest Stop being dramatic they are literally fighting one country. We are only supplying them trust me if tussia was fighting 40 plus countries the war would have been over in a week.
@The Brutally Honest you’re right, forgive me my ignorance general. The attack on Kiev and kharikhiv, the brilliant advances in kherson, the promotion of the moskva to submarine, the complete moonscaping of severodonetsk and mariupol, the heroic loss of 10 generals in the line of fire. And bakhmut! How can we forget bakhmut. How long has it been since the siege of bakhmut began?
Truly, a military CV or resume to be marvelled at. You are certainly, backing the right horse my friend.
I had the pleasure of knowing a logistics major in the army and he had so much insight into how we as the US military could project our power so far away and win 2 wars while no one else could despite the fancy hardware Russia and China develop to match ours. The issue isn’t how well they do in a fight – the issue is can you get them to the fight? Can you fly your jets if you haven’t got jet fuel, can your tanks rush into the battlefield without running out of fuel and ammo and food? A highly skilled Russian tank without gas turns the crew into second rate infantrymen.
✝️🇨🇳☯️GOD BLESS CHINA☯️🇨🇳✝️
✝️🇷🇺🇷🇺GOD BLESS🇷🇺🇷🇺✝️
Ironically, I’ve seen a lot of real Russian military gears and equipment somehow end up for sale on some popular Chinese platforms such as Taobao, Jingdong, and Alibaba… I originally thought these are all replicas made in China for military enthusiasts, but it turned out that many of them are actually authentic Russian equipment of good quality, including anti-thermal camouflage uniforms, Kevlar bulletproof helmets etc, and even utility bayonets from the AK rifles🙃
Can you buy military equipment on Taobao? Are you so bad at spreading rumors?🤣
@Mac Dizle : Ivan go home. Your jokes are not funny.
nice to talk to you
I think it’s safe to say that if it looked like Russia was on the verge of losing such a drastic war then China will likely use that time to lay a secure claim to disputed areas.
@the sun rides on reindeer – But what does that even mean? What would “capitulation” mean for Putin?
@Paul KernA very difficult question.
I guess I don’t have an answer.
The maximum that I can assume is the abandonment of the territories, not counting the Crimea. Crimea will never return.
Well, or the total destruction of Russia, but this is already out of the realm of fantasy.
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@the sun rides on reindeer – I can’t see Russia giving up Crimea either. It worries me the lengths they would go to to keep it. I do think they could be forced to give up the territories.
There will be cooperation not alliance . China exports 60% of its second class products to the West . It will not lose its best clients to do Russia and its small economy ( smaller than that of Spain ) a favor , or even to attain its strategic goal of a strategic balance with the the West .
I totally agree💯
It’s easy as an American to feel like spending $40 billion on weapons for Ukraine is a waste. Still, you have to figure that we spend $800 billion annually on defense. Our primary rivals are Russia and China. If the Ukrainians are willing to suffer casualties and fight the Russians in a war of aggression, then we should support them. The more tanks, APC’s, trucks, helicopters, fighter jets, experienced soldiers, etc. that the Ukrainians destroy, the less we have to worry about. America was on the winning side of two world wars because of our industrial capacity. We suffered comparatively few casualties compared to other countries in both of those wars. Russia is burning through all of its men and equipment in a futile war over farmland. Russia is making a strategic blunder. Russia’s armed forces will be weakened for decades to come, and its political leadership will be weakened by domestic unrest as the true cost of the war becomes known.
@Julie C Its either a chinese or russian…the english is pretty spot on, so I am betting China.
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@itomba you’re talking about human rights violations without realizing America has been the biggest violators of human rights. How many people have globally directly and indirectly by US involvement? Middle East is a perfect example, what makes America think they can go in and fix a problem that they don’t culturally understand and existed for hundreds of years? America has enough internal problems to work on, why do we have to be the worlds police?
When Vietnam went to war with the Chinese, Vietnam had one of the largest war hardened and experienced armys in the world and many of their soldiers mentioned how the Chinese sent wave upon wave of their soldiers at the Vietnamese. In the nonfiction book “One Crowded Hour” which was told by an unplaced war photographer that stacks of fallen Chinese got so high they fighting took place among these mounds. The Vietnamese as war hardened as they were from years of batting the French and Americans were shocked at this new style of warfare. Russia is doing the same thing in Ukraine and sending wave upon wave of Russian conscripts as Cannon fodder.
How come US lost more than 8,000 aircraft in Vietnam war whereas the tanks lost 200 in entire operation.
Some one in Pentagon not telling the truth!!
It must really grieve Putin to have to suck up so obviously to Jinping. That’s not how Putin sees himself on the world stage. He likely believes he is the dominant partner in this sick relationship. A relationship in which there is no honor and each is willing to say and do what they must under the circumstances to get what they want and/or need. Each of them pursuing their own agendas, all the while embracing each other as friends. In fact either of them would stab the other in the back in a second if it was in their interests to do so.
China’s big problem is that they see the West as both an adversary and an opportunity, whereas Russia sees the West as an enemy. Those are fundamentally different views, and they’re not particularly compatible. So China is maneuvering to a position where they feel they can gain global dominance, and in fact thanks to the Western hunger for cheap consumer goods, likely can. Russia will be kept close under Jinping’s wing as long as Putin is a good little puppy and does what he’s told.
@Dennis Wilson my English is good enough to make you bark up.
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Xi to Putin: sit dog! Good boy😃
Very good analysis. Thanks
In the end, by us having China make almost everything for us, we are providing support to Russia. The person who sent all our manufacturing to China must have got rich from it because he sure was not smart.
@SwarmerBees A refreshingly well informed comment 🙂
They tell you it’s national security when it comes to sending your son to war, but when it comes to making a profit the hell with national security it’s all good for business.
@SwarmerBees come on let us no go down the road of democracy, that ship has sailed long time ago. Did you see what is happening in France and the EU for that matter.
@Ng GD Didn’t Nixon have a hand in it too?
If China supplies weapons wholesale the west and its allies need to make the expensive decision to reduced trade and manufacturing. Many part of the world want to assume that role.
Agreed with you. US and West shud pullout their mfg plants in China and set up in Vietnam, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, etc.
I agree with the discrete points Max made, but the over-riding issue is whether China has really costed this thing out, and understands just how much it’s costing to remain a limited and largely commercial friend of Russia. One can imagine the pomp and circumstance overflowing into the streets of Germany, France and the UK while honoring Xi, were China to come in on the side of Ukraine’s right to exist, without qualifiers, and all the more so after the final Russian soldier had left Ukrainian soil because of Chinese arms gifted to Ukraine.
I think that ship has sailed for China. After Putin has shown that after decades of economic growth and collaboration between a wannabee imperial power and the West the imperial power eventually still reverts to old habits, and is incapable of democratic reforms and establishing a proper civil society, the West won’t be very eager to get fooled exactly the same way by China while this memory is fresh. Plus, China’s handling of the pandemic has mightily angered many Westerners, including many people in positions of power, and uncovered severe risks brought about by massive offshoring to China. Therefore, even without any enmity, for at least a decade from now there will be a trend of re-shoring or friend-shoring – bringing industrial production back home, or moving it from China to countries known to be culturally and politically closer.
I imagine if Nyepi day ( Silent Day ), which is currently being carried out in Bali – Indonesia, is also carried out in Ukraine and Russia for just one day, so that their leaders can introspect, contemplate what they have done to nature and its creatures, maybe the next day. one day there will be a truce for peace. 😁
He is expert in politics, but apparently not in military. Russia has very complete weapon production system. As long as China supplies investment, parts, materials, Russia can produce countless shells. Why China must supply existing shells to Russia? very useful information
Ping just wanted to know how much Putin had lost and whether he’s vulnerable. He got his answer.
It’s sad to know that us corporations won’t withdraw from China to produce in USA and create jobs in North America. Reason: greed! One of four containers leaving China is for only one company, Walmart, who pays peanuts for its employees. We, ordinary people, have not much power over politics except voting once in a while. But as consumers, we do!
Naomi Klein says: buying is voting! When you buy at Walmart, you vote for China. very useful information
It’s pretty sad that we’ve gone from a prosperous relationship with China to entering a cold war
And now an alliance between Russia and China, but like they say about big pharma…there’s no money in cures. Perpetual war is what makes economy’s grow
But the good thing is we have vodka to thank for Russias inabilitys.
Now you can easly realise why the first trip of the former president Trump was to Saudi Arábia ? Now you can easly realise why the former president Trump always avoid that the tensions bettewn Rússia and Ucrânia could escalate to War ? Because Trump knew the consequences when said ” my biggest nightmare is an alliance bettewn Rússia and China ” unbelive how many times Trump predicted the future. Greetings from Portugal
“At the beginning of the Cold War, Russia was the big brother and China the little brother, but now that position has been reversed.”
Brothers sometimes do fight, and sometimes they kill each other. Like Romulus and Remus.
Buddy getting construction done, knowing he had an interview today. Da hell