Prominent Evangelical Warns Christians Against Trumpism | Morning Joe | MSNBC

In a new column, conservative writer David French warns of the 'Dangerous Idolatry of Christian Trumpism,' and French joins Morning Joe to discuss French's column and a call from Beth Moore to 'move back' from Trumpism. Aired on 12/14/2020.
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Prominent Evangelical Warns Christians Against Trumpism | Morning Joe | MSNBC

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    1. @Kelvin Blackstone that’s not a fact. Jesus liked to walk. I think he’d have been in the parade even if he disagreed. He was famous for that.

  1. Trump had a purpose alright , it was to show how a TRAITOR and CRIMINAL as president can harm our DEMOCRACY and lead to dictatorship !!!

    1. @Joshua Bacon He’s just a con man and con men and charlatans have been playing fanatical religious people since the beginning of time. I think you should seek psychological help from a professional and I don’t mean that in a mean way, I just think that it may benefit you.

    2. HE IS NOT A DICTATOR. HE IS A MAN WHO BRINGS JOBS TO AMERICA.
      A VACCINE. BEST JOBS FOR ALL PEOPLE., PLEASE WAKE UP.

    3. John SMITH- Now you can go back to the days watching Middle East Wars again where Christians are beheaded and Americans are droned…The supposed good ol’ days of Biden and Obama…

    4. @lilly pad yeah sure , the sky is falling , the sky is falling ! I notice you left out the threat of homegrown rightwingnut TDS terrorism here at home !!! Go figure eh ? 😥🤔

    1. Smart Man- You mean when Democrats put Obama and Biden before GOD when they lit up the White House in celebration of Homosexual Marriage…

    2. I believe the AG is getting out of the USA where he will be more safe from Civil War, etc. The King Must Remain in White House Power now without legal means. This could still happen this month or early January next year & only just making things bad for Uncle Joe is not the real reason. I believe there is much much more to come & this November Election is not over with (Michael Cohen said he may even try & start a war to Remain in Power & he knows his former boss) & I believe the King in the White House will now (as a Last & Final Act) go to a foreign power such as Russia (big financial friend of the King, Family, other Republicans, etc.) & stop the November Election through his own private Defense Department (just changed with new wonderful people (goons) after Secretary of Defense Mark Esper was fired & I believe more people from strategic area’s will be on their way out) by now planning a Complete & Total Power Blackout of the USA including all communication (internet, radio, TV, hacking of many online bank accounts, etc.) through connections with his own private Defense Department & take it from there with COVID-19 running wild just what will happen to the USA. The King has already asked Russia for the emails of Clinton in the past, put a bounty on USA troops & most likely now will veto the current Defense Bill to fund the Military (for what ever reason), also take away the open skies treaty, discard observation USA planes and now put more goons in the Pentagon’s Defense Business Advisory Board just for starters. Russia will promote the King in the White House from President to Dictator over the entire USA including the 30 USA billionaires who More than gladly support him (because the fools think they won’t be Taxed at all like he was, etc.) but Wrong – now with future Big Huge Massive Private Taxes to the King & the Family to pay off Huge Massive Debts & from other Republicans, etc. & also take control of Unbelievable Private Wealth you can be quite sure the 30 billionaires will be stopped (COVID-19 also) from leaving the USA. If the King does not get all the $ from his USA billionaires (for private wealth also) there will most likely be International Contracts (even by Russia) put on the King, the Family, etc. using the mob & others. The November Election will be no more except for Civil War & no more aid (medical, etc.) to States. If this is not done, the King will be going to jail for most likely the rest of his life If he remains in the USA Outside of White House Power after the November Election is over with by past women who he did enjoy, obstruction of justice through the Mueller Report, City & State of New York Taxes, Debt, etc. The King must Remain in White House Power but this time as their Dictator not President under a Totalitarianism regime supporting Civil War & I believe that the supposed over 70 million voters who did vote for the King in the White House will now support the King more than ever – Not the Constitution of the USA and some will be forced to also. Unfortunately I don’t believe Uncle Joe will be President when the law is saying that he should be if Democracy fails like it did in Greece, etc.

    3. @lilly pad The results (Civil War) of these cults from churches who support Trump maybe coming later this month or in January just before Uncle Joe becomes President.

    1. GOD USES UNPERFECT PEOPLE. DONALD TRUMP HAS SIGNED TWO WORLD PEACE DEALS. HAS REMOVED ISIS. AND HAS MADE THE WORLD A SAFER PLACE, PLEASE WAKE UP.

    2. So let me know if you want to know what God spoke to my right ear from Heaven. It made my eardrum tickle and turned my straight hair to ringlets. L’chaim from Jacova 11..Gevurah born March 11…in Bethlehem

  2. I never believed that these people were Christians in the first place.Because a true Christian would of never voted for Trump .

    1. @Danny Williams Biden is a decent man. Trump is a proven liar, cheated on all his wives, and has 26 accusations of sexual assault. He has cheated his business partners, cheated his employees, and bankrupted his business partners.
      No one who supports Trump can claim moral highground. You are embarrassing yourself.

    2. @gmanon That’s crap! If they didn’t take the time to know more about the person they were voting for (PRESIDENT for God’s sake!), they deserve ridicule. The man is evil and certainly un-American with his assault on our democratic principles that has guided this country for over 200 yrs. He’s done us a favor showing Americans how fragile our democracy can be at the hands of a crazy man.

    3. @Danny Williams that isn’t true. You are repeating hollow right wing talking points. What has Trump done besides lie, cheat, go bankrupt and assault women. Oh he did dodge the draft and call soldiers losers. Nice idol you have there.

    4. @Purple Light we are sliding into depression, 300,000 deaths that could have been prevented. An exploding deficit. In 2021, taxes go up for the middle class, including you because of the tax cut to the rich. Trump has ignored human rights abuses, embraced dictators, abandoned our allies and weakened NATO. He insults veterans, and allies and tweets personal insults like an adolescent bully.
      10 Years from now you will be embarrassed to tell your descendants you supported him. History will look back on Trump like Germans look back on Hitler. In Shame.

  3. I’m a Christian… and I see through Trump. He isn’t even a religious man. Sorry… no blinders on this Christian.

    1. @lilly pad No but I think it’s the other way around. Religious people forcing their religion and others and Obama/Biden were preventing that.

    2. So many well meaning Christians fell for the prophesies. The prophets and leaders should come clean, apologise and start afresh. It’s about their faith and this grave contradiction is hurting the body of Christ.

    1. @Rita Kenny I’d like to believe that, if you learned to write English properly, you might be able to communicate your ideas. However, I’ve noticed that people who write as badly as you do seem to have absorbed most of their opinions from equally badly written, unhinged conspiracy theories. There’s probably nothing that can be done for you. What a shame.

    2. Lord Byron: I too am an individualist. However, it can hardly come as a surprise that those who worship someone called the Shepherd act like a flock. The problem is that, while they have their God-given brains and the words of The Shepherd to guide them, they instead feel the need to have other human beings, whether their pastors or their president, tell them what is right and wrong instead of figuring it out themselves. Every human being has the right to her or his opinion, but every human being also has the right to challenge the opinions of every other human being, including their president and their pastors. Some pastors try to teach, not order the flock around. Like other good teachers, they don’t claim to have every answer. They welcome discussion of their beliefs, understanding that such discussion can make their beliefs stronger or lead to a modification which they can more strongly believe in. Not so Trump and Trumpian pastors, who don’t have enough confidence in their own beliefs and who so crave power over others, that they will not brook any challenge to their leadership, for fear the house of cards they have built and stake their lives on every day will easily collapse.

  4. So it took an act of sedition for Republicans and evangelicals to disavow trump? After 4 years? Where is have some of these people been?!

    1. NO HE IS AN IMPERFECT PERSON . HE WHO CASTS THE FIRST STONE. ? DONALD TRUMP THE RAIN MAKER. TWO WORLD PEACE DEALS. PLEASE WAKE UP.

    2. @Purple Light NO YOU WAKE UP TO A DEVIL TYRANT TRUMP THAT HAS LIED TO HIS PEOPLE OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!! I HATE TRUMP PERIOD. YOU WILL NEVER CHANGE MY MIND ABOUT THAT!!! I VOTED BIDEN AND TO GET RID OF PESTULANCE.

  5. It’s about time. How they didn’t get there years ago, before he weaseled his way in the White House, I will never understand.

    1. They evangelicals want power to enforce theocratic rule, Even if it means selling their souls to satan (well… an immoral blob like Trump). They were quiet when it mattered. Now when Trump lost and some comes to realize that Trump is a sinking ship, they will try to distance themselves from him and say “oh.. we have now taking a stance against Trump… we are without sin…”. And they’ll be saying that to their grandkids “we took a stand against Trump… we are without sin…”. Not mentioning the fact that they brought him to power and supported him until he lost the election.
      You’ll see more and more of those after Biden has been inaugurated: “well… we tried to work from ‘within’ and steer him right… we are without sin…”

    1. Trump uses violence against legal demonstrations and then poses in front of a church with the Bible in hand. That is not Christian, but blasphemy!

    2. Chuck O- Go back and watch a video of a German lady in 2014-When a Muslim imam began his call to prayer during a church concert, he was interrupted by a small woman in the balcony proclaiming that “Jesus Christ alone is Lord of Germany,” and shouting, “I break this curse.” She also invoked the name of Martin Luther and warned the audience that what was happening was “a lie.”

    3. @Ja Cotter – Dimocrats? What are you like 14? Except for what your fascist inculcators have told you to believe what do you know about socialism son? And that’s not to say I disagree with you, but I’d like to know what fascists have to fear from socialism. Why do fascists have to accuse everyone that disagrees with them of being either communists or socialists?

    1. @PIPE DOWN If you knew the TIME we are in you would know that Trump was put in office during the Harvest Season separating the Wheat and the tares,,,,Wheat and tares will never unite and Babylon is now falling.

    2. @Purple Light The Bible says a righteous person will not abide an evil man and certainly not follow one. Ooops! Guess you are wrong…..

    3. @Purple Light true. Look what Vatican did, wars and wars and slavery, stealing children’s, kidnapping, rapping and so on

  6. He’s not out to save democracy he’s out to save himself from paying for his atrocities. He does not care for any of us

    1. Jim Jones was believed to be the “new messiah” by many and he convinced MANY people to drink the poison koolaid..and make their children drink it too..they all died..and what did Jones have in common with trump? He was a true sociopath..just LIKE trump is…messed up people thinking trump is “Gods choice” says a lot about them. Not very emotionally intelligent nor wise..when I read that tweet from someone in Arizona ask “are you willing to die for trump”? I thought “uh oh here we go Jim Jones mantra”!

    2. @Purple Light A historical vaccine would be one that was invented a century or two ago and is no longer used. The COVID vaccine was just invented. This message is otherwise hilarious. “Sometimes rude”? If you’re on the toilet with diarrhea for four years straight, you can hardly claim to “sometimes” have a problem with digestion. There is no definition of “best economy” in this post either. To most Americans, whose buying power even before the pandemic has been going nowhere for 40 years since Reagan started us down this trickle down path, your apparent definition of _best_ (GDP and unemployment figures, I am guessing) will not apply at all. On the other hand, Charles Koch and Sheldon Adelson would no doubt agree with this comment, along with all the “I just made you a lot richer” crowd visiting Mar-a-Lago. What on earth are these “world peace agreements”? You mean, for example, between the two tiny nations of Israel and the UAE? We had an agreement with Iran that actually mattered in keeping the world safer, and Trump junked it. We had an agreement on climate change (which will lead to wars over food, fresh water rights and migration from the coasts soon enough) which Trump junked.

    3. @purple light. Heartless. Almost 300 thousands dead due to the virus because our president did not do his job protecting his people Millions of people are suffering, unemployment at its highest.. and much more.

    1. @Shelia Porterwhen elected leaders legislate and are affiliated with any religion there is no separation. We have a SCOTUS that does not reflect our society. Tax them hard!

    2. @Lydia B Most of that, I have no problem with, at all.
      “Tithes for the poor” is a catch phrase. THEY want the money first.
      I have a real problem with any organization that writes out ANY “suggestion” of how much should be given. Some are right up on what members of the congregation makes and expect that. Ask any Mormon or Jehova or snake handler.

      I have to send a second note because I missed the early point and can’t scroll after starting. Be right back.

    3. @Lydia B you obviously don’t know your Bible. And as a person that doesn’t follow man-made religions like Christianity I’m about to school you what the Bible says tithes and donations are supposed to be used for. It’s not supposed to be used to keep the church up that is not what tithe is about. The actual tithes in the Bible was about food and livestock. Why don’t you get to know your Bible before you start preaching like you think you know. Don’t be a modern-day Pharisee that Jesus spoke against all the time. Sunday school is now in session.
      🔽🔽🔽🔽🔽🔽🔽🔽🔽🔽🔽
      From This:  Israel’s tithe only went towards taking care of the poor, the Levites (Nehemiah 10:38), and national feasts (Deuteronomy 14:22).
        → To This: Today we’ve changed the tithe to be used for much more than that, including building funds, which the tithe was NEVER used for.

      From This:  Bankers, Lawyers, Doctors, Fishermen, and Carpenters all didn’t tithe in the bible. (Leviticus 27)
        → To This: Today, every single occupation is required to tithe.

      From This: The poor didn’t give tithes in the bible, they received them. (Nehemiah 10:38)
      →  To This: Today, we expect the poor to give them.

      From This: The tithe was stored in storehouses to be distributed and consumed eventually by everyone. (Nehemiah 10:37-38)
        → To This: Today, there is no storage house for the tithe, and it is rarely seen outside the Church walls.

      From This: Jesus’ ministry was supported without tithes. (Luke 8:1-3) Jesus also sent the disciples out without tithes. (Matthew 10:8-10)
        → To This: Jesus’ ministries today do not resemble anything like this example. Instead they changed it to Moses example.
      https://www.tithing.com/blog/god-never-changes-what-about-tithing/

    1. @Ashley Willock-Dixon I have to agree that Trump is NOT a Christian. I also agree he don’t belong in sentences.

    1. Do i have to “pretend” to be racist to reach them? I saw one of them on TV call Kamala Harris a camel back. And she was soooo proud of her insult. Where do i start?

  7. “Christians” who support Trump, given his history and actions, demean the faith by pretending to be its adherents.

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