The Atlantic: How Trump Could Throw The Election Into Chaos & Subvert The Result | Katy Tur | MSNBC 1

The Atlantic: How Trump Could Throw The Election Into Chaos & Subvert The Result | Katy Tur | MSNBC

 

In a column in the Atlantic, writer Barton Gellman says that Donald Trump's efforts to discredit mail-in voting is more about the end goal – to throw a potential close election into chaos and take advantage of an opaque election system to grab a second term regardless of what the votes say. He joins Katy Tur to discuss. Aired on 09/24/2020.
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The Atlantic: How Trump Could Throw The Election Into Chaos & Subvert The Result | Katy Tur | MSNBC

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  1. Just wrote to Senators:
    Dear Sir: As a senator in the Congress of the United States, you hold an influential place in the country. I respectfully ask if you believe in our democracy that you indicate your support for the peaceful transition of power in this coming 2020 election. President Trump is sowing doubt in our electoral process. We need to stand up and be heard that we support our democracy and respect the electoral process.
    Respectfully, …

  2. “THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.
    ―Thomas Paine, The Crisis

    At the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, Benjamin Franklin was asked a question as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation. In the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention, a lady asked Dr. Franklin: “Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?”

    Benjamin Franklin replied: “A republic….if you can keep it.”

    Trump and the Republican party are telling us that we can no longer keep it. They are telling us that the “idea” that is America, is over.

    This election will determine whether or not we keep our 244 year old democratic republic, or see it replaced with a tyrant and his despotic monarchy. Make no mistake, America is in a fight for it’s very survival, because Trump and his henchmen have made it abundantly clear that this country isn’t big enough for him and our democratic republic, so therefore one of them MUST GO!!!

    So you see, the choices are clear. On Nov 3rd, make a decision. America vs Trump, democracy vs tyranny. Who’s side are you on?

    “If there is one fact we really can prove, from the history that we really do know, it is that despotism can be a development, often a late development and very often indeed the end of societies that have been highly democratic. A despotism may almost be defined as a tired democracy. As fatigue falls on a community, the citizens are less inclined for that eternal vigilance which has truly been called the price of liberty; and they prefer to arm only one single sentinel to watch the city while they sleep.” 
    ― G.K. Chesterton, The Everlasting Man

    “The actions of government, we are told, bear down only on imprudent souls who provoke them. The man who resigns himself and keeps silent is always safe. Reassured by this worthless and specious argument, we do not protest against the oppressors. Instead we find fault with the victims. Nobody knows how to be brave even prudentially. Everyone stays silent, keeping his head low in the self-deceiving hope of disarming the powers that be by his silence. People give despotism free access, flattering themselves they will be treated with consideration. Eyes to the ground, each person walks in silence the narrow path leading him safely to the tomb.” 
    ― Benjamin Constant, Principles of Politics Applicable to All Governments

    1. @California Screaming Provide the proof, resources, court documents, etc.. We will wait.
      Wait until the investigations continue against Trump and the GOP,. once Barr is disbarred.

    2. America has become apathetic and complacent and it continues
      downward. Listen to these words from Alexander Tytler: “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.” What sequence do you think America is in at this moment? Selfishness? Apathy? Dependence? We’re going down, down, down! Very sad! We need a true spiritual revival of faith in God and His word. But sadly, it will take the cycle of bondage before we wake up to the deep need of spiritual faith, courage, liberty and abundance like in the beginning! It’s my call and plea to each of us to, please, turn to true, living, spiritual faith in the Lord! May God help us!

  3. Let us get out and VOTE in GREAT NUMBERS for BIDEN/HARRIS so there are no QUESTIONS on who won. Let us save our DEMOCRACY!!!

    1. Did you even watch the video??? Our votes won’t matter if GOP leaders override the system and pick the electoral college.

    2. @dave etcetera so are you not voting then? We all still have to do our duty and vote. That is what we can control. If electoral votes are stolen, I see a civil war happening.

  4. Trump and his Republican sycophants are trying to steal the election and this is what fascists do when they know they can’t win on a fair count. They must be stopped, plain and simple.

    1. @JFK Lincoln Yeah, Trumps “Solution” is to give Corporations even more control over our lives than they already have and make sure only Rich people can get Health Care because he sure don’t give a damm about the Middle/Working Classes and Poor people, Yuri.

    2. @JFK Lincoln
      Do you believe in repetition and telling the same lies over and over until you finally believe your own BS too?

    3. @JFK Lincoln Non-sense. All registered voters have to first APPLY for a ballot to vote. You mail in the application and your information is vetted closely, therefore your statement about everybody getting a ballot in the mail automatically is a LIE, plain and simple.

      You are happily drinking ‘Agent Orange’s kool aid.

    4. @JFK Lincoln You’re a troll or an imbecile or a deeply immoral individual. Either way, not cool bud. Get help.

    1. To every American, we can move. So many Americans don’t travel abroad, their are wonderful European countries. You can apply for a visa in Spain and as long as your a resident for 10 years, you can become a citizen.

    2. @Adieu-DJT I think we have to vote in person. Hopefully we’ll be counted. I’m almost 65 and have health concerns also.

    1. See if you can find the word “Clinton” in the paragraphs below..
      Susan Lisa Rosenberg (born 5 October 1955)[1] is an American activist, writer, and advocate for social justice and prisoners’ rights. From the late 1970s into the mid-1980s, Rosenberg was active in the far-left revolutionary terrorist May 19th Communist Organization (“M19CO”), which according to a contemporaneous FBI report “openly advocate[d] the overthrow of the U.S. Government through armed struggle and the use of violence”.[2] M19CO provided support to an offshoot of the Black Liberation Army, including in armored truck robberies, and later engaged in bombings of government buildings.[3]

      After living as a fugitive for two years, Rosenberg was arrested in 1984 while in possession of a large cache of explosives and firearms. She had also been sought as an accomplice in the 1979 prison escape of Assata Shakur and in the 1981 Brink’s robbery that resulted in the deaths of two police and a guard[4], although she was never charged in either case.

      Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years’ imprisonment on the weapons and explosives charges. She spent 16 years in prison, during which she became a poet, author, and AIDS activist. Her sentence was commuted to time served by President Bill Clinton on January 20, 2001,[5] his final day in office.[6][7

    2. @Anna B See if you can find the word “Clinton” in the paragraphs below..
      Susan Lisa Rosenberg (born 5 October 1955)[1] is an American activist, writer, and advocate for social justice and prisoners’ rights. From the late 1970s into the mid-1980s, Rosenberg was active in the far-left revolutionary terrorist May 19th Communist Organization (“M19CO”), which according to a contemporaneous FBI report “openly advocate[d] the overthrow of the U.S. Government through armed struggle and the use of violence”.[2] M19CO provided support to an offshoot of the Black Liberation Army, including in armored truck robberies, and later engaged in bombings of government buildings.[3]

      After living as a fugitive for two years, Rosenberg was arrested in 1984 while in possession of a large cache of explosives and firearms. She had also been sought as an accomplice in the 1979 prison escape of Assata Shakur and in the 1981 Brink’s robbery that resulted in the deaths of two police and a guard[4], although she was never charged in either case.

      Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years’ imprisonment on the weapons and explosives charges. She spent 16 years in prison, during which she became a poet, author, and AIDS activist. Her sentence was commuted to time served by President Bill Clinton on January 20, 2001,[5] his final day in office.[6][7

    3. @Glock356 We’re taking over whether he wins or loses.
      See if you can find the word “Clinton” in the paragraphs below..
      Susan Lisa Rosenberg (born 5 October 1955)[1] is an American activist, writer, and advocate for social justice and prisoners’ rights. From the late 1970s into the mid-1980s, Rosenberg was active in the far-left revolutionary terrorist May 19th Communist Organization (“M19CO”), which according to a contemporaneous FBI report “openly advocate[d] the overthrow of the U.S. Government through armed struggle and the use of violence”.[2] M19CO provided support to an offshoot of the Black Liberation Army, including in armored truck robberies, and later engaged in bombings of government buildings.[3]

      After living as a fugitive for two years, Rosenberg was arrested in 1984 while in possession of a large cache of explosives and firearms. She had also been sought as an accomplice in the 1979 prison escape of Assata Shakur and in the 1981 Brink’s robbery that resulted in the deaths of two police and a guard[4], although she was never charged in either case.

      Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years’ imprisonment on the weapons and explosives charges. She spent 16 years in prison, during which she became a poet, author, and AIDS activist. Her sentence was commuted to time served by President Bill Clinton on January 20, 2001,[5] his final day in office.[6][7

    4. @Minerva Lynch I didn’t mean the demographics were overwhelmingly so that way, but a big percentage are. You know more than I do though, so I’ll take your word for it. I just don’t have this overwhelming idealization of the military and its members like a lot of other Americans have. The last four years should prove that we cannot have much faith in people or groups. Planned on joining the military for a long time, but my older brother went in first, hated it, hated most of the people in it, and warded me off from it.

    5. @Jim Battersbee If there is one, every Republican better understand they won’t be safe on the streets or in their homes. No place will be safe.

  5. The article reads like the plot of a deranged far fetched dystopian thriller. That it could happen is truly disturbing. A must read

    1. And after this LANDSLIDE defeat, lets fill in all of these crazy loop holes left by honorable administrations who didn’t feel that common sense had to be legislated!

    1. @Adieu-DJT If the people rise up in protest, the very people under his command will stand for their families, and not for Trump. If Civil War is what Trump wants, it’s what he will get. Remember he called the people in our military losers and suckers. Watch the Votevets videos. My dad and his 3 brothers who fought in the Korea War call Trump a loser and sucker. My uncles, aunts, cousing, brother and sisters will all vote for Biden. We will NOT be another Russia or Belarus!

    2. @hankakah
      As a 57 y/o woman with a ton of health problems, I will take to the streets if I have to, and I will fight harder than I ever have for my children’s futures and this country’s Democracy!

    3. @Adieu-DJT just like Hitler, over time, manipulated himself through the ranks , gathering his evil murderers around him, brainwashed the people then decided to more or less take over the world. Sterilising women, separating children and doctors in WW2 performing operations ON CHILDREN.. Sounds familiar with Heil TRUMP, best friends with other dictators. IF there is a God, then God help America.

  6. If the vote is forced back to a GOP majority Senate, game over, he wins without votes. We need a better plan to stop this dictator in training.

    1. Then start supporting Dems in all the Senate races make Mitch the minority leader. We took back the House and only need four more seats in the Senate.

    2. @benny360 They will use that as an excuse to dispute as well. “Hillary had X number of vote and Biden has X+Y votes. There’s no way that’s possible. Hillary might have been crooked but she had lots of fans. Nobody likes sleepy Joe. There’s no way Sleepy Joe could get more votes than Hillary. That proves all these votes are fraudulent.”

    1. Good luck finding a voting station or working voting machine or who knows what on voting day. Trump has every intention to maximally disrupt & obstruct the vote.

    2. No, Boris, you are not. Because you can’t vote from Russia. STOP trying to drive blue voters to the polls so their ballots can be tampered with. We know what you are doing.

  7. Vote early and help at least two other people outside your households to do the same – plus don’t forget the census. Thank you

    1. Did you even watch the video? Our votes won’t matter if GOP leaders override the system and pick the electoral college.

    2. 4 keys to STOP Trump from rigging our votes:

      1. Check your voter registration status NOW.

      County clerks in Republican districts across the country fraudulently purge voter rolls of legitimate Democrat voters prior to each election. In the 2014 mid-term election, I arrived at my local polling station only to discover I was no longer registered to vote, even though I had been a resident of my county and living at the same address for seven years. I was forced to cast a “provisional ballot,” which I suspect was not counted in the final vote tally. Since then, I have always verified my voter registration status well ahead of upcoming elections to ensure I have time to re-register in case of any Republican shenanigans.

      2. Vote early.

      In Republican states, there will no doubt be attempts to suppress voter turnout in Democratic districts by limiting the number of polling stations and reducing polling hours. This will likely be under the guise of protecting voters and polling workers from Covid-19 exposure.

      Laws no doubt vary by state. In Texas, voters must vote at their designated polling location on Election Day. However, during the early voting period, voters can vote at any open polling location in their county of residence. This makes it more difficult for Republicans to target Democratic districts for poll closures and restricted hours. Find the early voting laws for your state, and vote as early as possible. This will point you in the right direction: https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/early-voting-in-state-elections.aspx

      3. Use no-excuse absentee voting in states where it is available.

      “No excuse absentee voting” means you can request an absentee ballot from your state or county election official for any reason. Currently, 29 states offer no excuse absentee voting, including the most important swing states: Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin. If your state is on this list, request an absentee ballot and mail it no later than October 20th to ensure it is received and counted: https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-1-states-with-no-excuse-absentee-voting.aspx

      Mail in ballots can be dropped off at your local election board in most cases, or authorized ballot boxes at various locations in your state. That will lighten the burden on the Post Office that Trump has kneecapped.

      To New Yorkers: New York State has Republican districts. Due to COVID-19, the legislature recently passed several bills to make it easier to request an absentee ballot. The date was moved up so you can request one today. You can use COVID-19 as a reason. For more information see: https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-signs-law-sweeping-election-reforms#_blank

      4. Do NOT waste your vote.

      Yes, my fellow Americans, I am also frustrated by the two-party system, and I understand the appeal of underdog third-party candidates. You must realize, however, that a vote for a third-party candidate is effectively a vote for Trump. Don’t believe me? Just look at the numbers. Two states, Florida and Wisconsin, tipped the Electoral College for Trump in 2016. Trump won Florida by 113,000 votes and Wisconsin by a mere 23,000 votes. The top two third-party candidates, Gary Johnson and Dr. Jill Stein, captured 271,000 combined votes in Florida and 137,000 combined votes in Wisconsin. According to exit polls, the overwhelming majority of these votes were from disenfranchised Liberal voters who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton. Joe Biden is not my preferred candidate (“Bernie/Warren 2020” was my dream ticket). Nevertheless, *we must be united in taking back our country* and make America thrive again. *VOTE **#BLUE**!* If you’re not sidin’ with Biden then you’re rootin’ for Putin! Please share this message as often as possible from now to Election Day. Say “NO” to another four years of fascism.

      Flush the turd on November the 3rd!

    3. @dave etcetera doesn’t matter, it needs to show overwhelmingly Biden had won. If there’s ANY close margin, Trump can pursue it in court and likely to win. Even if GOP wants it to default to electoral college picks, the courts might decide otherwise. Get out & vote #BLUE!

    1. 4 keys to STOP Trump from rigging our votes:

      1. Check your voter registration status NOW.

      County clerks in Republican districts across the country fraudulently purge voter rolls of legitimate Democrat voters prior to each election. In the 2014 mid-term election, I arrived at my local polling station only to discover I was no longer registered to vote, even though I had been a resident of my county and living at the same address for seven years. I was forced to cast a “provisional ballot,” which I suspect was not counted in the final vote tally. Since then, I have always verified my voter registration status well ahead of upcoming elections to ensure I have time to re-register in case of any Republican shenanigans.

      2. Vote early.

      In Republican states, there will no doubt be attempts to suppress voter turnout in Democratic districts by limiting the number of polling stations and reducing polling hours. This will likely be under the guise of protecting voters and polling workers from Covid-19 exposure.

      Laws no doubt vary by state. In Texas, voters must vote at their designated polling location on Election Day. However, during the early voting period, voters can vote at any open polling location in their county of residence. This makes it more difficult for Republicans to target Democratic districts for poll closures and restricted hours. Find the early voting laws for your state, and vote as early as possible. This will point you in the right direction: https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/early-voting-in-state-elections.aspx

      3. Use no-excuse absentee voting in states where it is available.

      “No excuse absentee voting” means you can request an absentee ballot from your state or county election official for any reason. Currently, 29 states offer no excuse absentee voting, including the most important swing states: Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin. If your state is on this list, request an absentee ballot and mail it no later than October 20th to ensure it is received and counted: https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-1-states-with-no-excuse-absentee-voting.aspx

      Mail in ballots can be dropped off at your local election board in most cases, or authorized ballot boxes at various locations in your state. That will lighten the burden on the Post Office that Trump has kneecapped.

      To New Yorkers: New York State has Republican districts. Due to COVID-19, the legislature recently passed several bills to make it easier to request an absentee ballot. The date was moved up so you can request one today. You can use COVID-19 as a reason. For more information see: https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-signs-law-sweeping-election-reforms#_blank

      4. Do NOT waste your vote.

      Yes, my fellow Americans, I am also frustrated by the two-party system, and I understand the appeal of underdog third-party candidates. You must realize, however, that a vote for a third-party candidate is effectively a vote for Trump. Don’t believe me? Just look at the numbers. Two states, Florida and Wisconsin, tipped the Electoral College for Trump in 2016. Trump won Florida by 113,000 votes and Wisconsin by a mere 23,000 votes. The top two third-party candidates, Gary Johnson and Dr. Jill Stein, captured 271,000 combined votes in Florida and 137,000 combined votes in Wisconsin. According to exit polls, the overwhelming majority of these votes were from disenfranchised Liberal voters who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton. Joe Biden is not my preferred candidate (“Bernie/Warren 2020” was my dream ticket). Nevertheless, *we must be united in taking back our country* and make America thrive again. *VOTE **#BLUE**!* If you’re not sidin’ with Biden then you’re rootin’ for Putin! Please share this message as often as possible from now to Election Day. Say “NO” to another four years of fascism.

      Flush the turd on November the 3rd!

    2. Democrats are the party of racial tensions and cultural division. The party that puts more value on superficial things such as skin pigmentation and sexual orientations rather than the quality of one’s character and abilities. This is the party that claims to value the teachings of Dr. King, yet fundamentally misunderstands his teachings and message. This is the party that celebrates what makes us different rather than what makes us the same and that is why we must reject their vision for America.

    3. We all knew that 40% traitors are still supporting puppet without even using their brains. It’s ashamed for Americans. VOTE FOR BLUE FROM LOCAL TO WH.  BIDEN/HARRIS 2020   ..

  8. It blows my mind that the United States, would allow Trump in office, when he looses!!!!! I am 65 and I won’t let anyone to take over our country!!! It won’t happen!!!! Trump has to go!!! WE ALL HAVE TO KEEP OUR COUNTRY FREE!!!!

    1. @Georganna Smaltz ,I’m going strong with you all the way against fascist Trump wanta be dictatorship. Keep America Dictators Free

    2. pittarak1 this has never been the land of the free, it’s a land of different class levels, it’s just a fight against one class of people ruling us all.

  9. Just remember this:
    What He did to peaceful Protesters in Lafayette Park. After George Floyd murdered by Minneapolis Police Officers.

    1. What he did was nothing compared to what he wanted to do. He wanted to use weapons that aren’t even allowed against enemies outside the US.

      Biden/Harris 2020

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