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How QAnon Conspiracies Impact American Christianity | MSNBC

 

Conservative writers Peter Wehner, Matt Lewis and David French join Morning Joe to discuss how QAnon conspiracy theories are impacting Christianity and the church.

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  1. All I want from any kind Baptist is to act like the separation of church and state is real in our secular American Constitution. Not everyone is a Baptist so their doctrine does not need to be codified by legislation and court decisions. The same goes for the American Catholic Bishops wanting to block Biden from receiving communion. Also, it would be great if they would leave State School Boards alone.

    1. but then thier supposed “moral superiority” will go away. and they can’t have that happen

    2. The same goes for the American Catholic Bishops wanting to block Biden from receiving communion.

      Yeah, that’s what LA Archbishop Gomez and his conservative camp try to do.
      But the thing is: They can only do that when President Biden is in their respective dioceses.
      Because the President’s diocesan bishop is the Archbishop of Washington D.C., Cardinal Gregory.
      And Cardinal Gregory already said that he won’t withhold communion from President Biden.
      Also, seeing that canon 1398 only declares latent excommunication on those _actively participating_ in an abortion, but doesn’t say anything about legislators and politicians _allowing_ abortion to be decriminalized and allowed… Their case is on wobbly ground, at best!
      And according to Canon Law, President Biden may appeal to the the Roman Rota against the decision of the Gomez Gang, by asserting that they infringed upon his rights as a Catholic Christian as inscribed in the Codex of Canon Law. And the Roman Rota would probably agree with the interpretation of canon 1398, that it only applies to those actively participating in an abortion as well as embryonic stem cell researchers.

  2. american christians haven’t been “christian” for a very long time. they long since threw away the actual teachings of jesus in favor of the trappings of electoral power

    1. @Rosalyn Jeffery Do you have a recording of god saying that? Did you personally witness god saying that? Seems like you might be a sheep in wolves clothing. “god said….” means absolutely nothing as no one has ever seen or heard this mysterious god fella.

    2. @TheCandiceWang Am I? I can read and comprehend. It’s OK. I’m 51. I’ve pretty much hear every empty argument on the planet. I just need convincing evidence. And even THEN, it’s a far stretch to go to worshipping. Worship is utterly unnecessary.

  3. It’s much more than a “fringe problem” when it comes to Evangelicals. They jumped on the Trump bandwagon and helped him dig his claws into their religion. They willingly allowed the insane MAGA cult take root and control their base,.And now their base is embracing the QAnon lunacy. This guy’s either trying to save face or just in denial because that’s much more convenient than facing the truth.

    1. @Bruce Barber the Catholic church split away from the Orthodox church, not the other way around. Your history is incorrect. You Catholics amuse me

    2. @egg sand, you can think what you want but you’re incorrect. Damasus I was the Bishop of Rome who presided over the Council of Rome of 382 that determined the canon of scripture. The orthodox church split away from the Catholic Church in the 11th century.

    3. @lilly pad The Bible was written by a bunch of men who were all extremely flawed, to say the least. Jesus didn’t write ANY of it. Time to stop believing in fairy tales and Santa Clause. God isn’t responsible for what you say, do or choose to believe. Organized religion is not about God. It’s about power and control. As for mega-churches, it’s ALL about money. Arguing about creation vs evolution is just the distraction Evangelicals love to use in lieu of accepting scientific facts and evidence. Other Christians have no interest in denying science or arguing about the Bible. It’s an Evangelical affliction.

    4. @egg sand, the Eastern Orthodox Church is officially the Eastern Catholic Church and was one Church with Rome until the split in the 11th century. Both the eastern and western churches started at the same time in the 1st century. An easterner who says the Catholic Church started in the 11th century is just as ignorant as the protestants who say the Catholic Church started in 325 or in the 6th century.

    5. @Patton Moore Well if that is what you think of the Bible then we will always be separated I stand with the LORD I guess you stand with the world….I know who wins 100 per-cent in this spiritual battle..Do you?

  4. Orange County Republican real estate agents go to church every Sunday. Why? Not because they “love thy neighbor” but because there are a bunch of sitting ducks in there who will buy anything.

    1. Yeah and Sunday churchgoers skip it to watch other men play football a.k.a do their jobs on the supposed holy day, which in the Torah is Saturday anyway when there isn’t church ..lolol

    2. THE BIBLE WAS MADE UP BY RICH KINGS AND QUEENS TO CONTROL PEOPLE . BLACK PEOPLE WERE ENSLAVED WITH THE BIBLE IT’S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY . ABRAHAM LINCOLN FREED THE BLACK PEOPLE WITH THE BIBLE TO GO NORTH AND WORK IN THE BEGINNING OF THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION IT’S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY PEOPLE . WAKE UP AMERICA .

    3. Truth! I lived in Laguna Beach in a building owned by one of the largest agencies selling homes, biggest cretins in history, doing all-night coke parties and then hitting church with an 8-ball of peruvian rock in one pocket and a 2000 fountain pen in their white button down shirt they can use to get signatures on closing deals

  5. My sister is an evangelical Christian. Thank goodness she’s not into Qanon but her pastor has her convinced she has the gift of speaking in tongues and healing. She has diabetes high blood pressure and chronic kidney stones I keep asking her why she can’t heal herself….it doesn’t change her belief that she has these abilities. People believe what they choose especially if that’s all they listen to.

    1. @Teresa K
      Perhaps people rumored/gossiped and/or believed that she was a healer when she wasn’t.
      I base this on my religious family members who gossip, lie, judge and are a bunch of hypocrites.

    2. Jeez, I’m glad she isn’t, for your family’s sake. .. I was brought to one service in one of those churches that believe in speaking in tongues, by a friend, before covid. Holy … That was terrifying listening to *homina homina homina* (that’s what it sounded like ), and then passing out on the floor, only with the group to help them safely to the floor.

      The same person was having trouble in her marriage and this pastor was having trouble with his too
      . And so they confide in each other. He told her God told him his pregnant wife isn’t strong enough to be his help mate. God told him this and then their church higher ups told him too. I don’t know how it’s progressed, since we aren’t really in touch any longer. It was a terrifying experience and this guy sounded like warning flags and flashing signs of a predator.

    3. Why are MSM news hosts proselytizing, promoting their own brand of religion? Does Joe Blow Scarborough realize that “the greatest tale ever written” heavily adopted myths from previous religions that existed long before Christianity? Does he not realize that it is not one fairy tale, but a whole collection of them, written by many different people at different times, and often revised later by others? Wouldn’t the title and thrust of this piece have been more to the point and informative to ask and examine how Christian fundamentalism cultdom and religious indoctrination impacted the rise of the Qanon cult?

    4. From England: I have some of these absurd people in my family in England: pentecostal, evangelical, so-called christian fundamentalists. The beliefs they’ve adopted, I’m sorry to say, originated in the Benighted States of America in the thirties. Their minds are completely closed to any ideas other than their own and they clearly don’t understand their so-called holy book which, it might be remembered, was held upside down by tRumpstilkin, the 45th Amendment to sensible government when standing outside a church. I’m beginning to believe that God, sickened by recent events in that god-forsaken country really has forsaken it and that such a situation will prevail until our former colony comes to its senses, which seems to be a long time coming. God help America.

  6. People have had their evangelical leaders spread false conspiracies to their followers who have been taught to believe and not question the words of these so called men of God.

    1. @Alex Hamilton NPR: You literally can’t believe the facts Tucker Carlson tells you. So says Fox’s lawyers. Fox Reports stories without verification and corroboration. That’s not news.

    2. @Scott Harrison
      Not all reps are racist.
      Only about 2/3rd’s.
      The 1/3rd that aren’t racist, are just cool with the 2/3rd’s that are.

    3. @Satanic Microchip v4- name one Republican in any office who is racist.
      Hardly any Republicans in country are racists.
      Explain to me what you think racism is!!
      You are racist because you think that Republicans are white and Republicans are evil.
      That’s racist! You are a racist!!
      Now, tell me how Republicans are racists. Show me a racist republican in office

    4. Why are MSM news hosts proselytizing, promoting their own brand of religion? Does Joe Blow Scarborough realize that “the greatest tale ever written” heavily adopted myths from previous religions that existed long before Christianity? Does he not realize that it is not one fairy tale, but a whole collection of them, written by many different people at different times, and often revised later by others? Wouldn’t the title and thrust of this piece have been more to the point and informative to ask and examine how Christian fundamentalism cultdom and religious indoctrination impacted the rise of the Qanon cult?

    1. @Alex Hamilton what is the gender of a plastic potato and can you make freedom fries with it

    2. @Michael Morningstar and we have 45 percent that believe the bible is true and angels exist

    3. Why are MSM news hosts proselytizing, promoting their own brand of religion? Does Joe Blow Scarborough realize that “the greatest tale ever written” heavily adopted myths from previous religions that existed long before Christianity? Does he not realize that it is not one fairy tale, but a whole collection of them, written by many different people at different times, and often revised later by others? Wouldn’t the title and thrust of this piece have been more to the point and informative to ask and examine how Christian fundamentalism cultdom and religious indoctrination impacted the rise of the Qanon cult?

  7. America refused to address or even acknowledge its Christian extremist problem.

    Now it no longer has a politically stable government or a functioning election system.

    1. @Watson I heard those two were merging so that they can more quickly force their religious fable beliefs down our throats.

    2. Chris Hedges calls them Christian fascists and they! If you don’t believe what they say then you’re the enemy! Their distorted ideas of Jesus are sickening!

  8. “…because what are ya gonna do? Declare something a false prophecy…?” yes Dave, that is exactly what needs to be done, precisely because so many believe it to be true. It is absolutely and unequivocally not true. It is a false claim and demonstrably so.

    1. @Kar Walker “their words not coming true” … like Jesus promissing to come back before all that listened to him in that room could die? It’s been 2000 years, when will you finally accept you were lied to? Are STILL lied to?

    2. @Pat Doyle , Something you seem to be overlooking is that there is a difference between “a” chosen one versus “the” chosen one. Only Trump followers would accept him as “the” chosen one, but “true believers” will not. Regarding the comment that you made above about “all prophesies are false”, well, unless you have been to the future and back again, how do you know that all prophecies are false?

    3. @Kar Walker
      jesus isn’t a false prophet, because jesus is a fictional character from the fictional abrahamic death cult mythology of the bible.
      Dingbat.

    1. It’s even worse when you are in Israel. There are Evangelicals who feel it’s their duty to convert all the Jews to Christianity. It’s crazy what Evangelical Settlers are doing in the West Bank. A Rabbi from New York moved to Israel to slow them down. He’s funny and smart. Rabbi Tovia Singer on YouTube.

  9. “Religion”, born out of fear and ignorance in a time when humans couldn’t understand the mysteries of the heavens above them and the Earth below their feet. Used to indoctrinate the masses and control their inner thoughts and fears. Sounds like a cult doesn’t it ? No critical thinking, just accept what you’re told without any verification of whether what you hear is based on factual evidence. Fast forward to the 21st century where Science can answer so many questions that our predecessors would have never dared to consider, let alone believe. I’ll take Truth over fiction any day.

    1. Brilliant, thank you Geof. I love this show for their political insights, but whenever religion comes up I’m reminded that they all hold irrational beliefs. Peace out.

    2. @Kevin Thomas Freewill has not been demonstrated. You may feel as if you have freewill, yet that very well may be illusory. Also, the existence of a god(s) has not been demonstrated. Yours is a faith based position that is not justified.

    3. @lilly pad jesus said he would return in glory on the clouds within the lifetimes of those listening

    4. Why are MSM news hosts proselytizing, promoting their own brand of religion? Does Joe Blow Scarborough realize that “the greatest tale ever written” heavily adopted myths from previous religions that existed long before Christianity? Does he not realize that it is not one fairy tale, but a whole collection of them, written by many different people at different times, and often revised later by others? Wouldn’t the title and thrust of this piece have been more to the point and informative to ask and examine how Christian fundamentalism cultdom and religious indoctrination impacted the rise of the Qanon cult?

  10. I’ve heard the more outlandish claim that people believe, the more faithful they will be to it.

    1. Yes. Especially when those outlandish lies are amplified by a lot of people. Hitler talked about this in Mein Kompf, as it relates to how he was able to propagate his Big Lie.

  11. Big surprise, ppl who believe a book written by humans is the word of god believe conspiracy theories…

    1. @Jack G correct, that’s why they don’t stand a chance. And telling them they will burn if they even think god isn’t real….. just inhuman

    2. I always have to shout “Divine Inspiration IS NOT Divine Dictation!!!!”.
      To believe in the Bible as being divinely inspired is compatible with realizing that the Bible is basically the Faithful telling the story of God and His flocks of the First and Second Covenant.

    3. Why are MSM news hosts proselytizing, promoting their own brand of religion? Does Joe Blow Scarborough realize that “the greatest tale ever written” heavily adopted myths from previous religions that existed long before Christianity? Does he not realize that it is not one fairy tale, but a whole collection of them, written by many different people at different times, and often revised later by others? Wouldn’t the title and thrust of this piece have been more to the point and informative to ask and examine how Christian fundamentalism cultdom and religious indoctrination impacted the rise of the Qanon cult?

    4. @wily wascal what can i say, Americans… sorry to be so blunt, but seeing that country from the outside, all i can do is shake my head…. 330 ish million indoctrinated people pretending to be the best…… and no one dares talk about the 269 TRILLION debt. I’ve given up on the usa

  12. “Trump as the second coming of Jesus Christ.” Every time I hear that, it sounds so stupid to laugh off, yet it is serious and believed by so many.

    1. @Self Destination that’s more like it. How else do you explain this frenzy? It’s like people are completely hypnotized by him and can no longer listen to reason.

  13. Many of today’s fundamental “Christians” seem to think the greatest story ever told is that the ex”president” won the 2020 election.

    1. @ThunderDog97 – LOL!!! Attack the messenger. That’s usually what happens with the truth.

    2. @Scott Harrison … because 99.9999999% of conservative republicans that support trump ARE racists…

    3. @Patton Moore – explain to me what racism is.
      Please do that or take your trolling elsewhere

    4. @Scott Harrison … you’re actually right… being a racist denotes an ideology albeit a twisted one and trump and his supporters are way too shallow and self-absorbed to ever maintain any sort of ideology… y’all are just regular old fashioned homegrown bigots…

    1. A shocking number of people don’t know that the “Epoch Times” is run by Falun Gong. They just see their ads praising Trump and think how great it must be

  14. They don’t want light in there dark corners, they ashamed of it, yet embrace that hate and evil because it’s beneficial!

  15. I use to be heavy into conspiracy theories. Trying to connect things….until I realized the information I was consuming was BULL. People have way to much time on they’re hands reading nonsense ” sources” they see online, and absorbing it as fact. People lost the true meaning of what ” FACTS” really are. Thats why we have fools supporting the ” stop the steal ” movement. And don’t get mes started on the fools, who say slavery didn’t exist in America.

    1. I applaud you for escaping that particular rabbit hole and embracing reason and rational thought. The world needs more people like you.

    1. Aaron Burr Atwood.
      I would agree IF you take away the tax money from Planned Parenthood, the tax exemptions from all Democrat lobbyist organizations. Then get rid of the Democrats in Congress and the White House 😀

    2. Hear, Hear. Churches were given tax free status to STAY OUT of politics, as usual the chuches have not held up there end of the deal and are now VERY active in republican politics, thus their tax free status must also be revoked.

    3. @Alex Hamilton Shut it, troll. PP provides medical services; in some cases they receive Medicaid funds for those medical services.

    4. @Alex Hamilton
      WHY does You Tube continue to reinstate this waste of oxygens account ?

      I see Alexi has had it’s account reinstated, yet again…

      Asshat.

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