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Impeachment Trial To Begin With Debate On Constitutionality Of Trying A Former President | MTP Daily

 

NBC News' Garrett Haake walks us through the first day of Trump's impeachment trial that begins with a debate on the constitutionality of trying a former president. Aired on 02/09/2021.
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Impeachment Trial To Begin With Debate On Constitutionality Of Trying A Former President | MTP Daily

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    1. The world is watching his leutenants are sitting on those chairs while they all took part in 18 U.S. Code § 2385 – Advocating overthrow of Government.Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

      Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
      Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
      Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
      If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
      As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

      (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 2

    2. This is just the first step, after this the Dems pass an amendment which says a convicted felon cannot be president of the United States. Then they bring Trump back to New York state and convict him. Case closed.

    3. No, 17 are not needed. “no person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present”. Seems easy enough, republican Senators vote to convict, or do not show up. Gives them cover, gets the job done. https://www.senate.gov/senators/contact Ask your Senator to either make a just vote, or stay home. Feel free to copy, paste, share this.

  1. “Can’t charge him he’s President”
    Stops being President: “You can’t charge him cuz he’s not President anymore”. Uhhhh?

    1. Article 1 section 3 of the Constitution last 2 paragraph state and I quote

      “ The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.”

      “Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.”

    2. Cons are always originalists on the Constitution, until it clearly contradicts their nefarious interests, such as in this case where it was obviously set up to convict after an elected official left office.

    3. The Republicans it’s like we aren’t liable for what a former President did before he left office too bad so sad move on. Thank goodness for the Democrats who are taking up Trump’s actions now

    1. HELLO back at you. They can vote as they have to found guilty first as the presumption of innocence is part of our legal code. Even if you see someone throw a rock through a window, they cannot be guilty of it unless tried and found so.

  2. republicans: “There is no constitutional standing to impeach someone who is no longer in office.”
    Constitution: “Wrong.”
    republicans: “Who said that?!”
    Constitution:

    1. The evidence and “beyond a reasonable doubt” laws involved in a real trial are not part of an “Impeachment Proceedings”. An impeachment is just a loose discussion among senators regarding removal or prevention from further office for a president. If it were a real trial Trump would instantly be found guilty on all counts, but here the outcome isn’t as certain.

    2. The Supreme Court and Congress said that. In a landmark case William Belknap was impeached after he left office.
      He resigned specifically to avoid impeachment, congress said “Oh no you don’t little fellah, get back here”
      Custer even testified against him in court.

    3. Yes but being that an impeachment proceedings is nothing more than a “recall vote” and not a real “trial” Republicans can simply ignore all the facts and vote no at the end of it.

  3. Even cold cases get solved years later when there’s new evidence. This happened a month ago, they saying let’s forget about it? That’s what you get when you vote for politicians who put party and their leaders before the American people.

    1. @Sal Spencer they would never be allowed on the jury in a real trial. They were witnesses and are beholden to the defendant.

    2. @Diana Hulstine they have none at all.
      And why isn’t Chief Justice Roberts there? Because in the Constitution it clearly states “the Chief Justice shall reside”. That’s another reason why this is Unconstitutional

  4. Article 1 Section 3 of The United States Constitution
    Last 2 paragraphs state and I quote

    “ The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.”

    “Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.”

    Interpret it as you like I’m just here to provide information

    1. Trump will still answer for his crimes, and so will his kids. Georgia has already begun proceedings against him, and New York State will do so as well.

    2. @HNATX 1 To the ignorant man nothing is better than silence,
      And were he aware of this he would no longer be ignorant.
      When you are not possessed of perfection or excellence,
      It is better that you keep your tongue within your mouth.
      The tongue bringeth disgrace upon men.
      The nut without a kernel is light in weight.
      The beast will not learn of thee how to speak;
      Learn thou of the beast how to be silent.
      Whoever reflecteth not before he answereth,
      Will probably utter inappropriate words.
      Either adorn thy speech with the intelligence of a man,
      Or sit in silence like a dumb animal.

    3. @Senoow The world is watching his leutenants are sitting on those chairs while they all took part in 18 U.S. Code § 2385 – Advocating overthrow of Government.Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

      Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
      Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
      Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
      If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
      As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

      (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 2

    4. No January exception, Frump is guilty, Senators uphold your oath and convict him, or stay home the day of the vote. Please contact your Senators and let them know, you know what is just. https://www.senate.gov/senators/contact Those that are, or know influencers please feel free to copy, paste, share.

  5. The GOP couldn’t care less about the “constitutionality of impeaching a former official.” They care about the “feasibility of us using that as an excuse not to be held accountable for voting NO to save their political butts.”

    1. @Carl Sagan So you are saying that it is Constitutional to convict Frump on the charge of Incitement of Insurrection, and the Senators that try to hide behind process excuses should be voted out of office the first chance there is ? Also, you seem to say the main focus should be on convicting Frump in the effort to make sure he never gets the chance to try and overturn the government again ?

    2. @Special People Yes, that’s what I’m saying, except for a caveat regarding your last sentence. “Conviction” would result in immediate “removal.” That isn’t necessary. So to be pedantic, I’m _not_ saying the focus should be on “conviction.” Irrespective of the “conviction” vote they should have a “disqualification” vote to ensure he never is allowed to hold public office again. The “conviction/removal” vote is _distinct_ from the “disqualification” vote, though everything you hear in the media (and indeed by some GOP Senators) makes it seem like he must be convicted before he is disqualified, which is not the case.

    3. @Carl Sagan So you are saying that if Trump is convicted for Incitement of Insurrection, that it would remove his pension and travel budget, and disqualify him from holding any federal office under Article I, section 3, clause 7. Also, you point out that should the Senate fail their duty, and not ensure Trump is convicted for Incitement of Insurrection, there is way to disqualify him using the 14th amendment section 3. Given all the evidence that is being unearthed about his activities in office, do you think there will be more impeachments of him down the road ? Do you happen to know if there is any double jeopardy protection for impeached individuals ?

    4. @Special People No, I didn’t say all that. You’re projecting most of that. I do not know how the Former Presidents Act would be affected by a conviction – it would most likely have to be litigated to find out. No, there will not be any further impeachments “down the road.” There will be criminal indictments, though. And no, there is no “double jeopardy protection” as impeachments are not criminal.

    5. This “disqualification vote” you speak of, is to create new law preventing convicted felons from running for President, or is it to prevent only Donald Trump from running again? My original post related to accomplishing both.

  6. February: impeachment
    March: convictions
    April: trials
    May: sentencing
    June: peace
    July: progress
    August: the Republican party pronounced dead from suicide.

    1. Drop the “almost”, there is no technicality , “no person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present”. Seems easy enough, republican Senators vote to convict, or do not show up. Gives them cover, gets the job done. https://www.senate.gov/senators/contact Ask your Senator to either make a just vote, or stay home. Feel free to copy, paste, share this.

  7. If they don’t think the trial is Constitutional, they should be disqualified and/or replaced with alternate jurors.

  8. If i robbed the bank where I work at and then leave the job that means i can’t go to jail because I left the job?The man need to be lock up period.

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