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Global healthy policy expert Dr. Vin Gupta, Morgan State University professor Jason Johnson and health policy analyst Laurie Garrett speak to the dangers of the latest plan embraced by the White House to combat the coronavirus, as trials for a vaccine and antibody treatment were halted over safety concerns. Aired on 10/14/2020.
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98 Comments on "White House Embraces Herd Immunity Despite High Death Toll Projections | Deadline | MSNBC"

  1. Donald J Trump is killing this country

    • @geofo60 Geof Harris — and the virus has a near 100% survival rate.
      C’mon folks, this is about it being an election year.. nothing more.

    • Humberto Hernandez | October 14, 2020 at 10:35 PM | Reply

      Yes he is killing our country

    • One elderly loved one at a time

    • Vikki Anderson | October 14, 2020 at 10:45 PM | Reply

      @Rino Ponce I might believe more of what you’re saying if you knew any concept of how the English language is written. Nothing you wrote made any sense to me. I kept trying to figure out what you meant, but I’m lost. Maybe it’s just me….

    • Vikki Anderson | October 14, 2020 at 10:47 PM | Reply

      @Greg Gilly boy are you brain-dead. A near 100% survival rate? Sweden has flattened the curve? You are so far off, I don’t know where to start. I’ll just say this one thing. Trump knew since January how deadly, how contagious, and how badly it would affect this country physically and financially. He did nothing. I’m sorry he did nothing except undermine the doctors and scientists. After letting a world-renowned journalist record him stating how long, et cetera, he knew about this virus.

  2. America is a mess thanks to trump, and the republicans.

    • @Todd Daniel No. Trump is The Worst President ever. Trump is The Worst Human ever.

    • @Arto Nieminen been drinking Trump”s Koolaid, haven’t you?

      TRUMP 2Q2Q! WWG1WGA!

    • @Arto Nieminen You need to read some facts about healthcare in US.
      “Although the US spends more on healthcare than other developed countries, its health outcomes are generally not any better.”
      “How Does the U.S healthcare System Compare to Other Countries”

    • @Rino Ponce Close to 1000 deaths per day in the US is what it is! You give *your* stats and opinion but ignore how many Americans have died or die daily shows a lack of empathy concerning American people. Now we have to deal with the talk of *herd immunity* because a pathological liar doesn’t have a comprehensive game plan for this pandemic! And you probably think he’s going to get reelected? I’ve lived long enough to realize 🐃💩talk from those who believe in a *false prophet.* This smells and looks pathetic from far away!

  3. If this election doesn’t remove Trump and his Republican enablers…the United States is toast.

    • @Green Leader truth..lol. The stories people tell themselves.

    • @Raging Monk and we should trust the stock markets and banks that screw us time and time again why???? Lmao. More reason to not support Biden.. Things were terrible under Obama but the news blamed others and now Trump 100%. Going back to the status quo is worse for all.. No thank you

    • @Mike Hernandez .. Mexico paid for the wall?… where’s this great medical plan he promises that will materialize every two weeks? 200,00 plus dead Americans…. armed men planning assassinations of governors.. threats of civil war , denying voters of their rights . Hiding his taxes, contacting and spreading coronavirus, “ I’m not responsible for anything”..bleach injection cures..most unemployed since the depression and now backing herd immunity which means older Americans are dispensable.. calling military personnel suckers and losers.. gassing peaceful protests so he can pose with an upside down bible then saying god gave him covid as a blessing..” this will magically disappear in the spring “ lying to the public about the dangers of Covid as to “ not spread panic” lying everyday about everything including paying off pornstars while his wife is pregnant.. calling Mexicans rapists and murderers “ .. just grab em by the .. “” wtf is covfefe? All shithole countries are run by blacks.. “ stand back and stand by.. “””what does that supposed to mean?.. no stimulus until after the election.. spells like a sixth grader and calls people stupid names like he’s in grade school.. surrounded by convicted felons while pardoning convicted felons.. he’s been impeached… Used YOUR taxes to pay for his top of the line hospitalization..400 million dollars in dept..telling minority women to go back to where they came from…😅whew tiring but more🙃… so yeah why shouldn’t he be elected.. he has no loyalty.. honesty.. character and is self centered and his own cult to him is disgusting…got my vote in today.. I just canceled yours

    • Not forever I hope.Banksters and this Plutocracy will end sooner or later.The parasite Congress and Senate and Parasite leaders shall be
      Sweep away eventually.Last hurrah for these Scum who look down bin the working man or what’s left of him.

    • @sherry Perales wow you don’t know how our government really works do you? Its to keep us uninformed and to play us and keep us as tools. Lmao wake up

  4. Nicholas Batshon | October 14, 2020 at 7:23 PM | Reply

    Can’t believe this is America now 🤦‍♂️💔👎

  5. They’re only advocating herd immunity at this late date because they think everyone is now part of the “herd mentality” strategy trump loves so much.

    • tRUMP knows he’s losing and wants to wreak as much havoc as he can before he goes. This country will take years to come back after the aftermath of tRUMP. God bless 🙏 the 🇺🇸.

    • @Jean Gonzales — and what about the 800,000 americans killed by dems each year through abortion? Selective outrage and mass hysteria over a virus..
      Sweden didn’t lock down, and they’ve now flattened the curve and have herd immunity.
      I hope wiling out alot of people’s savings and permanently destroying peoples businesses was worthwhile.. what a mess

    • @Greg Gilly U moving to Sweden Greg sooner the better

    • @john ocarroll — no of course not, simply stating that sweden’s approach was better than our massive shutdown and restriction of freedom for caronavirus does not equal someone needing to move there.
      Caronavirus is mass hysteria, and has a near 100% survival rate. Why would anyone move.

    • Trump had turd mentality

  6. Herd immunity isn’t a plan. Its the lack of a plan.

    • Agreed. It is the lazy man’s excuse for doing absolutely nothing

    • @teek75ifty and yet, look at other areas of the world, they are responding to the virus a lot better than America

    • Just a way of saying I give up and am going to do nothing for my people

    • @Waleed Ahmed again, .07% is reflective of an acceptable handing of the issue given American culture. Stop trying to use the world as a measure of everything American.

    • @teek75ifty typical Trumpee. Always blind to the truth. Does not excuse the president’s lack of leadership and his ability to protect the people.

  7. Everblue Freediving | October 14, 2020 at 7:29 PM | Reply

    Herd immunity = we give up, we failed, let em all get sick and die and we will claim it was the best we could do…

  8. Think Harder Politics | October 14, 2020 at 7:30 PM | Reply

    Stupidity is a worse and more contagious virus than the coronavirus, yet it’s more pervasive here and we have a superspreader-in-chief for both!

    • @Think Harder Politics then why blame Trump? Those elderly people that had got coronavirus should not have been in nursing homes.

    • Think Harder Politics | October 14, 2020 at 10:14 PM | Reply

      @Rino Ponce Look at other countries: New Zealand, Japan, Vietnam, Australia…and ask yourself how well America is doing

    • The comments in this section make me ashamed to be human.

    • @Think Harder Politics Don’t try to debate these cult members. The hardest thing for a person to do is to admit they are wrong. It takes intelligence, courage and humility, of which trump and his supporters have none.

    • Charles Partrick | October 14, 2020 at 10:52 PM | Reply

      @Rino Ponce Try checking with legitimate medical sources and not Dementia Donnie who is a proven pathological liar and Dementia Donnie can get the Trump Virus again. Anyone stupid enough to believe a proven pathological is a special kind of stupid.

  9. Sigh. Herd immunity isn’t a strategy, it’s an outcome.

    • Kristina Dutton | October 14, 2020 at 9:56 PM | Reply

      @Greg Gilly and do you have any idea how many women die if they’re unable to have an abortion and there are health complications? Roe v Wade isn’t just about the fetus it’s about women’s health. You should read or listen to doctors who explain more about the statistics.

    • Kristina Dutton | October 14, 2020 at 9:59 PM | Reply

      @Greg Gilly Also abortion is a natural process. Animals abort their unborn babies if it means they might die or have complications. Making a case against abortion by drawing a comparison to existing members of our communities and families is a very dark way to go.

    • @Greg Gilly Most Americans judge death by the born. Given our lousy record, nobody knows what that adds up to, because many of them wouldn’t have survived birth.
      And of course you’d say Sweden’s doing really well because you don’t mourn their losses and truth and logic are just bizarre concepts to you.

    • @Greg Gilly That’s not what a herd immunity is. herd immunity requires that most of the population get the disease, and have antibodies for it that protect them from future infections, and reduce the chances of a contagious person infecting anyone else. Sweden has not had most of their population get the disease.

      Also, if abortions bother you, vote Dem. Sure, they’re against banning abortion, but their policies lead to lower abortion rates anyway. They have latched on to the idea that giving people enough information to make informed decisions and access to the means of controlling their own fertility will lead to people only getting pregnant when they intend to do so. Seems to work.

    • @KaaBee Stop lying. They haven’t changed their policies since march. Schools remain open, they have a limit of 50 people and have had that since march. They now have 3 consecutive months with below average deathrate. July, august and september. September 2020 had the lowest deathtoll of all septembers in the last 5 years. Stop lying. They are thinking about lifting some restrictions, not doing more. Average age of death from corona is 82 in Sweden and life expectancy is 82. They are well on their way to hit a normal or slightly above normal total deathrate for this year. Only 3 months left of the year and idiots like you would be put to final shame.

  10. just get Trump out from the white house and send him to the prison. Let Trump be the first president be in prison.

  11. Bother man was absolutely correct, herd immunity is just the lazy way of doing Nothing

    • One by Land, Two if by Sea Run if by Air | October 14, 2020 at 10:05 PM | Reply

      @Greg Gilly Sweden *does not* have herd immunity. They are nowhere near the 77% (or so) required infection of the population.

      Sweden sacrificed their seniors. Their death rate is 5x higher than neighboring countries.

      The other problem is reinfection. Utah has a case of *more severe* reinfection after getting a *different strain* of Covid. Another patient *died* after 2nd infection in Netherlands..

    • @One by Land, Two if by Sea Run if by Air — have u ever considered doing a cost benefit analysis of this? Shutting down the economy, wiping out many businesses permanently and destroying peoples savings will have severe residual health effects on people, far greater and more pronounced than this virus which has a near 100% survival rate. In my opinion, this entire thing was based in mass hysteria and an overreaction.. just my 2 cents.. i think it was completely overdone.

    • Priscilla Robb | October 14, 2020 at 10:19 PM | Reply


    • One by Land, Two if by Sea Run if by Air | October 14, 2020 at 10:22 PM | Reply

      @Greg Gilly There is no way to run an economy in a hurricane. The full Covid treatment is $30,000. Multiply that by 150 Million people. The cost- benefit analysis has been done back in January. That data is available.

      The long-term effects of Covid include lung lesions, heart damage, blood pressure abnormalities, kidney damage, and in *4/5 admitted patients:* *Neurological symptoms* .

      Covid is also more deadly than you have been lead to believe. 210,000 deaths per 7 million cases is 3%. It’s a 3% mortality rate. Multiply that by 330 Million people in the US. Then include lost productivity, long term heath care costs, and disabilities.

      Covid is the single greatest immediate threat to economic stability on the planet. The economy is made of people; so that should surprise no one.

    • One by Land, Two if by Sea Run if by Air | October 14, 2020 at 10:25 PM | Reply

      @Greg Gilly The inescapable fact is: you cannot separate people from the economy. If people get sick: the economy does also. Nobody likes Covid. But we have it. Now we need to be patient and smart about our next move.

  12. If you’re in the “herd,” “herd immunity” means the same as “thinning the herd.”

    • @Rino Ponce It didn’t work in Sweden dude. And they claim, they never went full Herd Immunity anyway. But they were worse than any country around them, and they only have about 30% of the population with antibodies.

    • @Rino Ponce Good question, I also thought about that., so I researched. You should too, don’t take my word for it. Sweden had huge R-factor numbers at first and has lost proportionally many more lives than neighboring countries Sweden and Finland. However, they have done better than the more populous countries in Europe such as Italy, Spain and Germany.
      The problems are the unknowns. We don’t know if Covid-19 is like Chicken Pox and you can only get it once. There have been multiple cases in Asia where people got it again and one in USA. In addition we DO know the virus has already mutated and evolved at least once (maybe twice) as there are a distinct European and Chinese strains. This also means any vaccine will also be suspect if the virus mutates significantly.
      Sweden largely relied on people having common sense and taking personal responsibility, which they pretty much did do. Americans have already demonstrated to the world that they are incapable of doing the same. In my opinion, clearly a nation of spoiled children who cannot be inconvenienced in any way will die like flies.

    • Jim McLoughlin | October 14, 2020 at 10:50 PM | Reply

      @Rino Ponce They drastically cut back on travel and were hot on masks and social distancing. Sensible moves by sensible people with survival in mind and no “I want my rights” attitude. Oh, they did not have Trump saying stupid things.

    • @james lawrence right and nobody seems to agree how long immunity in a person lasts as there have been cases of people getting Covid more than once.
      40% of America are older folks and people with 1 or more severe illness.. if herd immunity takes 40-70% of the population, thats a lot of dead people.

    • @Rino Ponce The Swedish have a different attitude, they don’t need to be told to protect others in their society, they look out for one another.

  13. Dawn Oceanside | October 14, 2020 at 7:46 PM | Reply

    The herd that will die quickly via rallies is his herd.

    It does NOT phase him one bit!!!

  14. The Virus affects “almost nobody.” In other words everyone who gets it is “almost nobody.” Strange.

  15. This is what happens when ignorance of science is adopted by a political party.

    Canada thanks Dr. Fauci for his most excellent advice.

  16. Benjamin Perez | October 14, 2020 at 9:01 PM | Reply

    This is more evidence proven that Trump doesn’t care about the American public and their well-being.

  17. The guy that was elected to protect America can’t even protect his own family.

  18. One by Land, Two if by Sea Run if by Air | October 14, 2020 at 9:50 PM | Reply

    Donald Trump thinks he’s “immune”,
    So now the brakes are off the rollercoaster
    on Covid.
    Pure and simple: Malignant Narcissist.

    • @Tomasina Covell who are you Satan ?

    • He absolutely has Covid. He couldn’t create a ruse that includes half the Whitehouse.

    • Bennie Crawford | October 14, 2020 at 10:42 PM | Reply

      Jenny Sieck With that White House yes he could.

    • One by Land, Two if by Sea Run if by Air | October 14, 2020 at 10:43 PM | Reply

      @Jenny Sieck His “presidency” is a ruse that involved half the White House. (But yeah, he had Covid. He didn’t fake the gasping for air at the balcony).

    • Doctor Remulak | October 14, 2020 at 10:50 PM | Reply

      @Jenny Sieck ABSOLUTELY an attempt to divert his criminality- and yes, all the others got it ,but not from him and not even at the same time.
      A fool that believes two words from Trump is a bigger fool than him.
      NOBODY ON THIS PLANET gets well from Covid in less than Three Days.

  19. The facts only seem to confuse Americans.
    Herd mentality?

  20. The man in the WH doesn’t care about no one just his lying self.

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