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    1. @Joe American Are you asking for sources on how mask use can prevent further spread? I’m sure a simple google search can help you there but if necessary I’d be happy to link a few studies. However, if you’re asking for sources on “if we can completely eradicate the virus”, I can’t help you there. I’m no expert but given how we got over the black plague (a much more dangerous disease) in a large scale sense…I’d say there’s a good chance to move past Covid somehow.

      Your statement just goes back to what I’ve been saying. Sure these aren’t the people going out but consider the few who don’t have any family to rely on to go out & buy their groceries or the money to use services like instacart. They go out themselves for their necessities & that’s where anti-maskers come into play. That’s just one scenario of the many that can result in the death of a person. I’d also read up on cases where a few healthy individuals have died because of covid.

      On the topic of vaccines, I’m not going to lie…I’m also a bit skeptical about them. I’d like for there to be more research on them & transparency in to just how safe they are, what goes in them, etc.

      I’m no doctor nor a disease/virus expert, I simply read, watch news & process information. I would much rather feel slightly uncomfortable because of a mask than possibly risk the lives of those around me. The virus is new & as we’ve learned constantly mutating, I wouldn’t take the risk but that’s me.

      Thank you for respecting my decision, however, I can’t do the same & sympathize with those who aren’t willing to swallow their ego to protect others. Not pinning you as one as I don’t want to assume anything about you through the little I’ve gathered from our conversation. All I can say for now is that I wish you & your family well. I hope you find the information you’re looking for & make up your mind on what steps would be best to take at times like these.

    2. @Fullsun thank you. I also wear a mask, but because it is mandated and because it makes others feel comfortable. I respect everyone’s right to make choices for themselves and whenever possible, I try not to tell others how to think. I appreciate your response and for keeping it to the initial request. I am just looking for sources of information.

      To be honest, I have been conducting a sort of experiment and logging the difference between media outlets on all sides of the spectrum. What I am finding tells me I need to go to their sources to get real data without bias. If I do watch the news, it is followed up by a fact finding search from the sources of data.

      I appreciate your thorough response and hope you and your family stay safe.

    3. @Joe American You seem to be more open to discussion than many people here. I’ve been doing lots of research for months. Here is a fairly comprehensive analysis of many studies, of different types, that concludes that masks are effective:
      https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

      As far as the vaccine is concerned, we are at a point where 304 million doses have been given. A very small number (around 1000) have died within a period up to a few weeks, but it includes a significant number who were old/very ill with other conditions, actually already had Covid-19 or did not have full protection. Therefore, the actual cause of death is not easy to determine. Comparing this with the statistics from different sources about mortality, the virus is AT LEAST 1000x more of a risk than the vaccine. Also, if the uptake of the vaccine is not high enough – and quick enough – the wider risk of death and increased risk of stroke, heart disease and organ damage (including the brain) is enormous. I shall certainly be taking it and I DO wear a mask to protect myself AND others. Knowing that viruses spread exponentially, each person can make a large difference.

    4. @Old Musician thank you. Good info. I am more concerned about it’s effectiveness. I am also concerned about the health impacts of isolation and quarantining, not to mention the economy. All are very negatively impacting our mental health.

      Do you know if data exists showing the effectiveness of the different vaccines? If not, it’s all good. I will keep searching.

    5. @Joe American It seems to vary according to which vaccine you receive, the strength of each dose and the length of time between doses as well as the individual receiving it (age, ethnicity etc.) I know that there are, or have been multiple trails to see which combinations of factors produces the best results, even ones in which different vaccines were used together. The numbers from trials appear to be from 64% to 95% efficacy with pretty large differences using the same vaccine differently. One even produced a much higher efficacy score when the first dose was lower (from 62% to 90%). Another study reported that none of a trial group of 24,000 volunteers were hospitalised following immunisation. Trials aren’t all carried out the same way or analysed the same way, so our confidence will depend on continued collection of data. There is no doubt that the virus is having a measurable effect on mental health and the economy, and that is the reason why decisions have been made to have partial, zoned or tiered lockdowns with periods of lifting of restrictions when the data supported it. It’s been a tricky balance that has been a bit of an experiment at times with so many variables and unknowns, especially early on. I think we’re on the right track if people don’t mess things up. Stay safe and best wishes.

    1. @burningfeet 53 Please, come back…I want to teach you how to express yourself without depending on emojis; I promise I’m not mad. I love you.

    1. @kegsofvomitspit no no, you were doing fine, now your just lashing out. Such a waste of potential.

      Welcome to the internet indeed.

    2. @Ren Hippo Mr. Trump received his Covid vaccine in January. Also, if he does become ill, he will receive the best medical care available. What about you?

    3. @The SmorgMan: Good thing you’re bringing your A game. Working as a guidance counselor must really have it’s perks.

    4. @Marcos Juarez That’s nothing new. Idaho is a hotbed for the klan, especially up in the panhandle. I live in Washington and I have friends that are Black who refuse to even travel across the panhandle for fear for their life.

    1. Yep feeling the same way if our politicians in Idaho as a born and raised Idahoan. The denial and stupidity has me shaking my head. Blue lady in a Red state.

    2. @TheIdahogrl I do the same down here in Utah. And our state legislature decided that mask mandate is done April 10th and that all restrictions are done July 1st. I already sent a letter to the gov asking him to veto.

  1. So they’re disposing USED masks, touching them with NO GLOVES, & I’m sure they were shaking hands & giving each other high fives…what a glorious day for those idiots.

    1. I suppose you’re one of those window lockers that’s wears your mask and gloves while driving your own car.

    2. Pathogenic Priming and Antibody-Dependent Enhancement

      Another significant problem is that we don’t know whether antibody production is protective or pathogenic in coronavirus infections. If pathogenic, vaccinated individuals may be at increased risk of severe illness if they’re exposed to SARS-CoV-2 in the future. As reported in a December 11, 2020, Vaccine: X paper:12

      “The first SARS-CoV-2 vaccine(s) will likely be licensed based on neutralizing antibodies in Phase 2 trials, but there are significant concerns about using antibody response in coronavirus infections as a sole metric of protective immunity.

      Antibody response is often a poor marker of prior coronavirus infection, particularly in mild infections, and is shorter-lived than virus-reactive T-cells … Strong antibody response correlates with more severe clinical disease while T-cell response is correlated with less severe disease; and antibody-dependent enhancement of pathology and clinical severity has been described.

      Indeed, it is unclear whether antibody production is protective or pathogenic in coronavirus infections. Early data with SARS-CoV-2 support these findings. Data from coronavirus infections in animals and humans emphasize the generation of a high-quality T cell response in protective immunity.”

      A number of reports in the medical literature have indeed highlighted the risk of pathogenic priming and antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). As explained in “Out of the Frying Pan and Into the Fire? Due Diligence Warranted for ADE in COVID-19”:13

      “ADE is an immunological phenomenon whereby a previous immune response to a virus can render an individual more susceptible to a subsequent analogous infection.

      Rather than viral recognition and clearance, the prior development of virus-specific antibodies at a non-neutralizing level can facilitate viral uptake, enhancing replication; a possible immune evasion strategy avoiding intracellular innate immune sensors, or pattern recognition receptors …

      ADE of SARS-CoV has also been described14 through a novel FcγRII-dependent and ACE2-independent cell entry mechanism. The authors state15 that this warrants concern in the safety evaluation of any candidate human vaccines against SARS-CoV.”

      Similarly, “Pathogenic Priming Likely Contributes to Serious and Critical Illness and Mortality in COVID-19 Via Autoimmunity,” published in the Journal of Translational Autoimmunity, warns that:16

      “Failure of SARS and MERS vaccines in animal trials involved pathogenesis consistent with an immunological priming that could involve autoimmunity in lung tissues due to previous exposure to the SARS and MERS spike protein. Exposure pathogenesis to SARS-CoV-2 in COVID-19 likely will lead to similar outcomes.”

      So, to be clear, what all of this means is that if you get vaccinated, you may actually be at increased risk for serious illness if/when you’re exposed to any number of mutated SARS-CoV-2 strains in the future.

      This is why the recommendation to vaccinate individuals who have previously been infected with SARS-CoV-2, or who have an active SARS-CoV-2 infection, may actually be quite dangerous. Dr. Hooman Noorchashm recently sent a public letter17 to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration Commissioner detailing these risks.

  2. This is a great reminder why local elections and state elections are so important. Stay healthy my friends

    1. countries with voluntary masks have less overall mortality everywhere
      you are deprived from oxygen
      the lowest brainwashed herd ever destroying your own kids who start to like it bc it makes them dazed and addicted like a drug. dozens of studies prove its bad health effects

    2. Don’t worry about getting exercise or eating healthy, that’s not important. Just social distance, wear a mask, and get the vaccine when possible.

  3. Having a symbolic event like burning masks is something you do after you have defeated the pandemic not before and using you’re kids for photo opportunities is a sign of poor parenting.

    1. @Yadi Santos How is it not a great example to teach kids to oppose oppressive mandates and take their freedom back? You must hate freedom.

    2. @JJ West nobody believes you’re fighting “tyranny” and advocating “freedom.” nobody believes that you are badasses or tough guys. People just think you’re manchildren, karens if you will, throwing a tantrum just for the sake of being defiant. I work with the public so i hear their complaints and beliefs about antimaskers.
      You know what’s funny, too, is that there are videos here where people refused to serve them and in almost all cases, the antimasker does throw a literal tantrum.

    3. @Hercules Brofister The term anti maskers isn’t a thing. It’s a pretend category you liberal weirdos made up about people who do the same thing they’ve always done. The only people throwing tantrums are you cowards when you see someone not wearing a mask, that doesn’t work, to guard against a little virus with a fatality rate of .00002%. Maybe people are tired of having their businesses that they worked hard to build shut down and eventually closed for no reason. You wouldn’t know anything about hard work though.

  4. If survivors of previous pandemic were still alive they would have smack the stupid out of these people.

  5. These people are crazy, just because vaccines are starting to roll out is no reason to drop your mask guard & unnecessarily risk your lives but hey y’all gonna learn.

    1. @nicholas ellis no need for a conspiracy, the reason will be their own ignorance & lack of taking responsibility for themselves, stupidity is the real virus here.

    1. @black feel We aren’t, still about 60k a day,very uninformed comment . But typical from CONServatives,same ones who claimed it was just like the common flu ,no big deal

    2. @Mitsu Turbo you can wear a mask and get vaccinated if you want but don’t force it on anyone else. Nothing experimental should ever be mandatory. No vaccination should ever be mandatory.

    3. @black feel Like I said it’s not over. Better safe than sorry,so private corporations are still enforcing them. Just like countries that have far less deaths,but Repugnantcons never learn. Love how you say don’t force people. But that’s all Repugnantcons do are force women and Minorities into things they shouldn’t. The hypocrisy is real

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